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Dubious No Carry signage at Hardcore Pawn

StingMP9

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The issue in this case is simple concealed carry so sorry it's not OC. I know a lot of jewelry stores like to prohibit weapons on the front door of their store. Such signs must regrettably be respected. I don't patronize Value City Furniture because of this type of policy.

Last month the sign that seemed like it might not be correctly worded that I saw was when I went to American Jewelry & Loan in Detroit, you all know the place if you watch Hardcore Pawn on TruTV. Does anyone believe they are correct in prohibiting carry by stating "Attention: Your CPL license is not honored here for CCW" or similar wording to this effect. I for one don't think they can put up a sign like this to say a CPL is no good there like they are a state law free island instead posting one of those signs we might be more used to stating no weapons policy under the penalty of trespassing.

What say you.
 

smellslikemichigan

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their sign is as poorly worded as the ikea signs which say something along the lines of "this is a weapons free store"
which his hardly a notice of no weapons allowed. i ignore all grammatically incorrect signs.
 

smellslikemichigan

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for that matter, i ignore all firearms related signs since there is no law that i have to read all the garbage plastered on the outside of a building before entering.
 

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I remember watching an episode where somebody was open carrying in their shop. I don't remember what the guy was trying to sell/pawn but from what I could tell on the show they didn't seem to care. Maybe they're just against CC in their store for people who aren't employees. My family rented a Uhaul from a business that had a sign saying no concealed weapons except for employees. I wasn't open carrying so I don't know if they would have cared about OC or not.
 
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Bikenut

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Someone nearby should OC there and see what they say. Worst case, they ask you to leave, and you comply. You might even get OC a little free air time.
Maybe it's just me but since there is already a "no guns" sign of sorts at this pawn shop.... I suspect any "free air time" could end up giving the pawn shop an opportunity to play the outraged victim and portray the OC'er as the bad guy. In short I suspect any air time could end up showing OC in a bad light.

Just my not adjusted for inflation 2 pennies.
 

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Why would you choose to shop at a place that does not respect your right to carry? Also why is it people have the attitude concealed means concealed so people won't know. As much as I disagree with them posting this, it is perfectly legal. If we want others to respect and honor our rights, shouldn't we honor their rights(private property) as well?
 

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Why would you choose to shop at a place that does not respect your right to carry? Also why is it people have the attitude concealed means concealed so people won't know. As much as I disagree with them posting this, it is perfectly legal. If we want others to respect and honor our rights, shouldn't we honor their rights(private property) as well?

To further this point, would you still walk past the 'no firearms' sign on a business and continue shopping there if you knew the owner used the profits off your purchase to donate it the the Brady Campaign? Why shop places that could be using your money to further the anti-gun agenda?

Motor City Pawn on Gratiot in Roseville had Zero issue with Scott and I OCing in there.
 

scot623

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some would say that a public accommodation DOES NOT have the right to trample the constitution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP1Wgkh5MeE

That may be true but it does not address my point. Let's say tomorrow it's ruled by SCOTUS that private business cannot restrict firearme carry. Now you are out t-shirt shopping, in the mall there is Sara Brady's t-shirt shop right next to Charelton Hestons shop...neither can ban firearm carry and they both have the Detroit Tigers t-shirt you want...who are you giving your hard earned money to? The chick who pumps every nickel of profit towards taking away your rights or the guy who spends his money safe guarding them? That's my point.
 
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stainless1911

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Maybe it's just me but since there is already a "no guns" sign of sorts at this pawn shop.... I suspect any "free air time" could end up giving the pawn shop an opportunity to play the outraged victim and portray the OC'er as the bad guy. In short I suspect any air time could end up showing OC in a bad light.

Just my not adjusted for inflation 2 pennies.

The only way OC would be cast in a bad light, (assuming airtime that is,) would be if the OCer was being an asshat. If an OCer walked in, was picked up by a camera, asked to leave by a nervous employee, and then responded politely and professionally as he/she was leaving, then I think that would be a good thing. The only ones who would look bad, would be the pawn shop. Another scenario might arise, that the OCer might change thier minds due to the way he/she handled the situation.

Maybe the sign would stay up, but just maybe, it could be replaced with one of those MOC open carry welcome stickers.

Maybe the OCer never saw the sign because they were starstruck.:idea:
 

smellslikemichigan

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That may be true but it does not address my point. Let's say tomorrow it's ruled by SCOTUS that private business cannot restrict firearme carry. Now you are out t-shirt shopping, in the mall there is Sara Brady's t-shirt shop right next to Charelton Hestons shop...neither can ban firearm carry and they both have the Detroit Tigers t-shirt you want...who are you giving your hard earned money to? The chick who pumps every nickel of profit towards taking away your rights or the guy who spends his money safe guarding them? That's my point.

i would definitely window shop in the sara brady. strong side to the employees just because i could. then look for the larry pratt store, because heston's not getting my money either.
 
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Bikenut

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The only way OC would be cast in a bad light, (assuming airtime that is,) would be if the OCer was being an asshat. If an OCer walked in, was picked up by a camera, asked to leave by a nervous employee, and then responded politely and professionally as he/she was leaving, then I think that would be a good thing. The only ones who would look bad, would be the pawn shop. Another scenario might arise, that the OCer might change thier minds due to the way he/she handled the situation.

Maybe the sign would stay up, but just maybe, it could be replaced with one of those MOC open carry welcome stickers.

Maybe the OCer never saw the sign because they were starstruck.:idea:
Hmmm.... you are optimistic my friend... but here is another viewpoint....

OC'er walks in and nervous shop employee asks the OC'er to leave (whether asking politely or irately) and OC'er calmly leaves.....

To us the OC'er did good...

The folks who don't like guns just saw an OC'er get told off and/or run off and are high fiveing each other in glee.

The folks who aren't sure about guns just saw an OC'er get told off and/or run off are left with the impression that guns, and the folks who carry them, are not liked or welcomed.

Those who are thinking about OC'ing but aren't sure if they want to try it just saw an OC'er get told off and/or run off leaving the impression that they too will be told off and/or run off and that will weigh heavily in their decision to OC.. or not OC.

But no matter who sees that TV coverage the general impression of someone being asked to leave is that the one asked was doing something wrong.... and the impression that there is something wrong with OC will stick in the minds of those who saw it happen.

In my not so humble opinion what needs to be seen on TV/in the media are instances where OC is accepted, welcomed, made some smart arse suddenly become polite or stop treating someone poorly, or even deterring a possible crime.
 
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Ok, you have won me over, I agree.

To a better point, ITS TV, THEY CAN SPIN IT ANYWAY THEY WANT!!! They show the OC'r being asked to leave, they do not show his polite reaction, they cut to him getting in his car, while playing a rude sound effect, like slamming the door. Then they interview a security guard, who gives a "expert inerview" about how OC is dangerous, tacticly un-sound, and that people that do it are unstable. During the "expert interview", they will zoom in on the no carry sign, on the front door, while cutting back and forth to the security guard. The security guard will go into how CC is the way to go, and how its only safe for police and security to carry in public, and business owners to carry on their property. Then they will interview the owners, they will talk about why they "have" to have security, and its because of people with firearms (not mentioning once that an OC'r has never given them a problem, and are law abiding citizens). Then they would interview a shopper, and have them say how "scared" and "intimated" they were (they pay people to say what they want on this show BTW).

See how this might go???

Food For Thought, kind ladies and gents~!
 
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Signs don't have the force of law behind them, so I ignore them when concealed carrying into businesses. When open carrying, I'll respect their wishes and spend my money at their competitor.
 
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