Dubious No Carry signage at Hardcore Pawn

[Bikenut]

Signs don't have the force of law behind them, so I ignore them when concealed carrying into businesses. When open carrying, I'll respect their wishes and spend my money at their competitor.

Let me see if I understand your position clearly....

When CC'ing and not concerned about anyone in a business posted for no guns noticing that you have a gun..... you are quite willing to disrespect their wishes and carry your hidden gun despite the no guns sign... and to spend your money there and support an anti gun business.....

But when OC'ing where the folks in the business WILL notice that you have a gun contrary to their no guns sign THEN you will shop elsewhere using the excuse of respecting their wishes?

Please explain since I'm having a difficult time figuring out what the difference is between carrying a hidden gun that no one will see (you won't get caught) and carrying a gun in plain sight (you will get caught) in a business with a no gun sign?

 

[stainless1911]

Im with Bikenut, and SG28. Don't give 'em yer money.

 

[dukenukum]

Why would you choose to shop at a place that does not respect your right to carry? Also why is it people have the attitude concealed means concealed so people won't know. As much as I disagree with them posting this, it is perfectly legal. If we want others to respect and honor our rights, shouldn't we honor their rights(private property) as well?

I agree we should honor there wishes by spending our money at places that respect our rights.

 

[StingMP9]

It was a question of the legal wording of the signage... not to invoke each opinion about whether I or you should shop in the establishment. Only SmellslikeMichigan gave me the answer to the posed question.

 

[eastmeyers]

It was a question of the legal wording of the signage... not to invoke each opinion about whether I or you should shop in the establishment. Only SmellslikeMichigan gave me the answer to the posed question.

You would be legal, yes. You are not required to read a sign in the state of Michigan, not a sign posted on private property at least (speed limit signs on public property is another story). If they asked you to leave, you would have to, at that point you would be trespassing.

 

[Onnie]

Hmmm.... you are optimistic my friend... but here is another viewpoint....

OC'er walks in and nervous shop employee asks the OC'er to leave (whether asking politely or irately) and OC'er calmly leaves.....

To us the OC'er did good...

The folks who don't like guns just saw an OC'er get told off and/or run off and are high fiveing each other in glee.

The folks who aren't sure about guns just saw an OC'er get told off and/or run off are left with the impression that guns, and the folks who carry them, are not liked or welcomed.

Those who are thinking about OC'ing but aren't sure if they want to try it just saw an OC'er get told off and/or run off leaving the impression that they too will be told off and/or run off and that will weigh heavily in their decision to OC.. or not OC.

But no matter who sees that TV coverage the general impression of someone being asked to leave is that the one asked was doing something wrong.... and the impression that there is something wrong with OC will stick in the minds of those who saw it happen.

In my not so humble opinion what needs to be seen on TV/in the media are instances where OC is accepted, welcomed, made some smart arse suddenly become polite or stop treating someone poorly, or even deterring a possible crime.

WHEN WAS this episode, ive watched them all and dont remember an ocer

 

[sprinklerguy28]

You would be legal, yes. You are not required to read a sign in the state of Michigan, not a sign posted on private property at least (speed limit signs on public property is another story). If they asked you to leave, you would have to, at that point you would be trespassing.

If the sign complies with the following, you better pay attention to it.

(f) An entertainment facility with a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals or that has a sign above each public entrance stating in letters not less than 1-inch high a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals.

 

[smellslikemichigan]

unless you are OC with a CPL :exclaim:

 

[eastmeyers]

If the sign complies with the following, you better pay attention to it.

(f) An entertainment facility with a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals or that has a sign above each public entrance stating in letters not less than 1-inch high a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals.

Nice catch, HEY I KNEW THAT! Just forgot about while I was typing. Very nice catch!

I should have said you don't have to pay attention to signs, UNLESS, they are talking about an actual law, like the above bolded quote. But then again, you still don't have to pay attention to that sign, you should have some sort of realistic knowledge if a place is a PFZ already. And fallow the law accordingly. Besides the fact that many places that put up this sign put it up so people wont carry, even though the sign isn't true. (see pic of man leaning up against sign at downtown hoedown)

 

[TheQ]

unless you are OC with a CPL :exclaim:

Can't do that in Ingham County even. Aqualina calls that "absurd". While her ruling isn't binding on any other judge in the Circuit Court -- in Ingham County you just might get Aqualina...wanna chance it?

We need to wait until the Appeals Court rules on that...

 

[eastmeyers]

Can't do that in Ingham County even. Aqualina calls that "absurd". While her ruling isn't binding on any other judge in the Circuit Court -- in Ingham County you just might get Aqualina...wanna chance it?

We need to wait until the Appeals Court rules on that...

Willing to bet any OC case will land in her court room, it seems to be by design if you, stop and think about it.

 

[TheQ]

MGO v CADL
CADL v MOC
People v (I forget his name...)

 

[eastmeyers]

MGO v CADL
CADL v MOC
People v (I forget his name...)

Exactly, the only 3 major OC cases I can remember in the state (yes, I know its one county too, but that's because its arguably the most liberal/anti OC county), and they all fall to the same Judge??? Hmmmmm..... Odd? Anyone else think. Especially since what her personal feelings are on the matter.

 

[stainless1911]

What legal steps are going to be taken against this judge?

 

[eastmeyers]

We are taking this TREAD WAY off topic, we can either take it to PM's, you can PM up too 5 people at a time. Take it to another thread. Start a new thread. (and to answer your question stainless you can PM the lawyers over at MGO, or as TheQ has suggested WORK HARD to get her voted out at next election).

 

[stainless1911]

sorry.:uhoh: