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Does the Bible tell churchgoers to disarm?

MamabearCali

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Churches are made up of people. People come in all flavors from very good to very bad. Most church people in churches lean towards the very good side, however if it turns the other way it is the responsibility of the people in the church to vote with their feet. No matter the politics I would not b in a church that acted in such an abhorrent manner.
 

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So then it's god's will for the WBC to exist? Is it God's will for a church to excommunicate an entire family because one of the daughters was repeatedly raped by a board member and they're scared of the political fallout? There are countless examples out there, these are just two churches that claim to worship God.

No doubt they are, but they are not spirit led, and are run by people Christ Himself called, 'hypocrits, beautiful on the outside but within full of rotting flesh and dead mens bones.'

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness." (Matt. 23:270).
 

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My comment was a direct response to:
a church operating outside the will of the father will not last long
It's pretty clear this isn't really the case. I can't speak about the WBC, but the unnamed church I mentioned was growing last I heard. Then you have all these huge mega churches that are ran solely to profit off the people, hardly the will of God. As I recall, Christ was royally pissed by the pharisees doing exactly what these churches do today. So pissed, in fact, that he committed vandalism.
 

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My comment was a direct response to:

It's pretty clear this isn't really the case. I can't speak about the WBC, but the unnamed church I mentioned was growing last I heard. Then you have all these huge mega churches that are ran solely to profit off the people, hardly the will of God. As I recall, Christ was royally pissed by the pharisees doing exactly what these churches do today. So pissed, in fact, that he committed vandalism.

He wrecked the place! These churches wont keep true believers, followers of Christ for very long.

Gentle Jesus meek and mild.
I was taught that Jesus was gentle, meek and mild while being bashed every day by little sisters of mercy and black robed marist brothers. We were taught to recite this prayer every day. We had no idea who the true Jesus was. All we knew was that He was someone who was meek, gentle as a lamb, wouldn't hurt a fly.

Gentle Jesus.
Gentle Jesus, meek and mild,
Look upon a little child
Make me gentle as Thou art,
Come and live within my heart.
Take my childish hand in Thine,
Guide these little feet of mine.
So shall all my happy days,
Sing their pleasant song of praise
And the world shall always see
Christ, the Holy Child, in me.

According to these last few words Jesus is still Baby Jesus, the Holy Child.

Catholic churches have statues of baby Jesus in a manger surrounded by sheep, cows, Mary, Joseph and three wise men. They also have statues of baby Jesus in His mothers arms. They also portray Him hanging dead on a cross as if he was still nailed there and with only a drop or two of blood ozzing out of the wounds in His hands, feet and side, and a few drops from the crown of thorns! Still got His beard as well. The fake shroud of Turin also shows Jesus as having a full beard and LONG HAIR!

Its a pity because many people have no idea what Jesus went through as a man before He was crucified.

His body was so marred He was unrecognisable as a man! People were shocked when they saw Him.

"As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:" (Isa. 52:14).

They physically tore His beard off His face and spat in His face!

"I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting." (Isa. 50:6).

When I, as an adult purchased and read my own Bible, I found a man of great strength, a carpenter, a builder of things, one who overthrew very heavy solid wooden tables. A man who took the time to deliberately plait a whip and drove the money lenders out of the temple, (John 2:15).

A man who delt with the liers and teachers of false doctrins, "verbally" in no uncertain and very unpleasent terms.

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, (Matt. 23:27-29).

"Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? (Matt. 23:33).

"ye outwardly appear righteous unto men, hypocrites, whited sepulchres, full of dead men's bones, full of all uncleanness, full of hypocrisy and iniquity" (Matt. 23:28).

He called the FOOLS! "Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?" (Matt. 23:19),

He called the BLIND GUIDES, "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel." (Matt. 23:24).

They HATED HIM, DESPISED HIM, PLANNED TO UTTERLY DESTROY HIM!

He plainly told them "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." (Matt. 22:29). They were very displeased, "And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the son of David; they were sore displeased,"(Matt. 21:15). "Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him." (Matt. 12:14).

They accused Jesus of doing His works by the power of the devil; "But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils."(Matt. 12;22).

Imagine publicly saying these words to ministers, priests, bishops, popes, sisters or mercy, marist brothers in their black robes? How would they react? Jesus said it exactly as it was. He spoke the truth. He never pulled any punches regardless of who they were. The scribes and Pharisees were the chief priests of Christs day and they didnt like what Christ called them.

Jesus called them Vipers, Serpents, Blind Guides, Whitened Sepulchers full of dead mens bones, and Hypocrits! Wow, hows that for hurting religious pompus holier than thou people, who think they * and are on the right track, feelings?

Jesus never said to Himself, I better not call a spade a spade in case people down the track accuse me of being un-Christ like? Or If I say how I feel, I may hurt someones feelings? He gave it to them both barrels, no holding back. In His day they were fighting words!

Not many teachers of false doctrins like it and if some people disagree with them and maybe call them liers, hypocrits, even bastards of false ministries and false churches and such they get all defensive, holier than though, how dare you use such language, call your self Christian? In fact I believe if they were legally able to they would even go so far as murder to shut one up.

Buy the way, did you know that the word "bastard is in Scripture? Well it is mentioned two times.

"A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD."(Deut 23:2).

"And a bastard shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines." (Zech. 9:6). I dont think its a bad word after all! It just means somethings illegitimate.
 

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The silhouette is not a revolver!

I can't concentrate on the thread because it bothers me that they keep talking about how he had a revolver but that's not the gun in the silhouette of the re-enactment .

[video=youtube;Lp1sTBLzwdk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Lp1sTBLzwdk[/video]
 

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Its a pity because many people have no idea what Jesus went through as a man before He was crucified.

His body was so marred He was unrecognisable as a man! People were shocked when they saw Him.

"As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:" (Isa. 52:14).

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That is why I recommend the "Passion of the Christ" movie Mel Gibson funded with his own money. That physical beating was excruciating and just when you thought it was over they started again! Many criticize Mel and his tirades but the movie is excellent!!!!

The reason Jesus was "somewhat" meek the first time He came was because He knew that he was the sacrificial lamb being led to slaughter for the payment of all sins. The second time he comes he gets right down to slaying all that stand against Him and brings them into judgement where all unbelievers/unrepenetent will be cast into hell. Not much of a woosy! ;-)
 
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That is why I recommend the "Passion of the Christ" movie Mel Gibson funded with his own money. That physical beating was excruciating and just when you thought it was over they started again! Many criticize Mel and his tirades but the movie is excellent!!!!

The reason Jesus was "somewhat" meek the first time He came was because He knew that he was the sacrificial lamb being led to slaughter for the payment of all sins. The second time he comes he gets right down to slaying all that stand against Him and brings them into judgement where all unbelievers/unrepenetent will be cast into hell. Not much of a woosy! ;-)

He was one tough being! "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." (Heb. 2:9).

Scriptures plainly teach that God has armies in heaven! That to me when I read this in the Bible was amazing. The all powerfull God has an army ready to fight battles. Christ when He returns will bring this Heavenly army with him to put down all rebellion here and they will suceed as they did with Lucifers rebellion.

Thats amazing! God doesnt just wave a magic wand and poof, all is ok! God is absolut power and God and His armies have to and will do battle everywhere and every time it is necessary to put down rebellion and maintain peace throughout His entire creation! He is the absolute master and controller of all.. I find that amazing. Imagin having to have an army to subdue people or beiings created by Himself who have rebelled, and the fact that they will fight against HIM.

"And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." (Rev. 19:13-15).

If God didnt need an army, He would not have one would He"
 

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He was one tough being! "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." (Heb. 2:9).

Scriptures plainly teach that God has armies in heaven! That to me when I read this in the Bible was amazing. The all powerfull God has an army ready to fight battles. Christ when He returns will bring this Heavenly army with him to put down all rebellion here and they will suceed as they did with Lucifers rebellion.

Thats amazing! God doesnt just wave a magic wand and poof, all is ok! God is absolut power and God and His armies have to and will do battle everywhere and every time it is necessary to put down rebellion and maintain peace throughout His entire creation! He is the absolute master and controller of all.. I find that amazing. Imagin having to have an army to subdue people or beiings created by Himself who have rebelled, and the fact that they will fight against HIM.

"And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." (Rev. 19:13-15).

If God didnt need an army, He would not have one would He"

Which would mean he's capable of losing. Which would mean he's not omnipotent. Which would mean he's not God. :eek:

Truth right in front of you.

Sorry to religion bash, another thread got me started and now I can't stop. :D
 

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He wrecked the place! These churches wont keep true believers, followers of Christ for very long.
Sure, if they knew about what happened at the church I used as an example, or saw through the mega churches shell into their ugly, wicked hearts. But this has nothing to do with the will of God, and everything to do with the will of the people. Which is pretty much my point.
 

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Which would mean he's capable of losing. Which would mean he's not omnipotent. Which would mean he's not God. :eek:

Truth right in front of you.

Sorry to religion bash, another thread got me started and now I can't stop. :D

I don't think you're religion bashing... The post you refer to does leave a lot to be desired in the area of logic. Certainly to suggest that an omnipotent being would "need" anything or might "lose" seems illogical. As a Christian, I attempt to stay away from certain discussions because the how's and why's are not knowable.
 
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Which would mean he's capable of losing. Which would mean he's not omnipotent. Which would mean he's not God. :eek:

Truth right in front of you.

Sorry to religion bash, another thread got me started and now I can't stop. :D

Its obvious you have not studied the Scriptures or you wouldnot be saying such things. God knows His plan for man and its outcome from beginning to end. What he does not know is how free moral agents will conform to it. He makes changes to this plan when necessary and His plan will be carried out in the end. Regarding wars and the armies of God, there are hundreds of Scriptures which support the fact that Satan was the original ruler on Earth before Adam. Regarding the first rebellion of Lucifer, and the last war, which will take place in Heaven, Scripture shows this. The heavens are peopled with multitudes of spirit-beings of different orders and kinds. (Rev. 12:12 ;13 15). These beings are of three classes. 1. Gods subjects, (Heb. 1 : 6-14; 2 : 5-9; Rev. 12 : 7-12).

Satan's angles who are loose with him Rev. 12 : 7-12).

Demons who are loose working with satan.

This war in heaven will be the last desperate struggle between spirit beings in the heavenlies for or against the majesty and Kingdom of God. It will be the culmination of the struggle in Heaven between God and Satan.

The first struggle began when lucifer attempted to exalt his kingdom above the angles of God and dethrone God from His universal kingdom over all other kingdoms in the universe. In his rebellion against God and in his ascention into Heaven and above the clouds from the Earth (Isa. 14:12-14) he was cast out of Heaven and backdown to the ground and was dethroned. Although deprived of his kingdom and exalted position Satan was not deprived of the power which was his by nature for he still has great power in the heavenlies and over the Earth that was usurped from Adam (Eph.2:2; 6:12; John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11; Matt. 4:1-11). He still has access to Heaven and accuses the saints before God day and night (Job 1:6; 2:1; Rev. 12:10-12; Zec. 3:6).

Scriptures describe Satan's rebellion fully and in Isa. 14:12-14 we have conclusive proof that Lucifer ruled the earth before the days of Adam. It could not have been since Adam that He ruled and fell from Heaven as in this passage, for he was already a fallen cretaure before Adam was created. After Adam was created, Lucifer regained dominion of the Earth and has been prince of this world ever since. The statements in Isa. 14:12-14 canot possibly be made of an earthly king.

"How art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which did weaken the nations! for thou hast said in thine heart, I WILL ascend into heaven, I WILL EXALT MY THRONE above the stars of God: I WILL sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I WILL ascend above the heights of the clouds; I WILL be like the most High"

Christ Himself stated; "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." (Luke 10:18). Rest assured he never jumped, he and his rebel followers were defeated in a cataclysmic battle, and he will again be defeated and locked away forever. Much more can be said buts thats enough for now!
 
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