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Dave Workman on Firearms Rights and Responsibilities - Feb. 13

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Dave has provided firearm owners with a good voice. I respect him, although I don't always agree with him. This is one of those times.

Responsibilities? My responsibilities to my fellow men is to honor my contracts and not harm them. Otherwise, "responsibility" sounds suspiciously like an "obligation" thunk up by someone else who wants to control me rather than persuade me.

Except not initiating violence against others, and not endangering them by violating The Four Rules, what other gun-owner responsibility could one have?
 
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Dave has provided firearm owners with a good voice. I respect him, although I don't always agree with him. This is one of those times.

Responsibilities? My responsibilities to my fellow men is to honor my contracts and not harm them. Otherwise, "responsibility" sounds suspiciously like an "obligation" thunk up by someone else who wants to control me rather than persuade me.

Except not initiating violence against others, and not endangering them by violating The Four Rules, what other gun-owner responsibility could one have?
You haven't even heard what he has to say! What about the responsibilities that the state requires of gun owners? Chapter 9.41 of the RCW is full of "responsibilities".
 

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You haven't even heard what he has to say! What about the responsibilities that the state requires of gun owners? Chapter 9.41 of the RCW is full of "responsibilities".
Those are NOT responsibilities, they are OBLIGATIONS and REQUIREMENTS set by the state to enable one the enjoyment of 2A.
 
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Infringements to exercise a right.

The positive law of the state is meaningless except we follow it not to feel the violent coercive effect of not.

I am not obligated to do nothing to exercise a right. How can anyone else set requirements to for someone else to exercise a right?
 

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They are resposibilities. Im not saying I agree with all of them or that they obligate someone to exercise their right to bear arms. Im saying that like it or not, if you choose to have a firearm in your possesion, you are reponsible for knowing and following all of the federal/state/local, laws/reguations/rules regarding firearms. Being responsible for following those rules, by definition, makes them resposibilities.
 

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Did anyone go? Puppy chewed thru a plastic baby gate, and got into cold medicine, so I got to spend my evening in the puppy E.R.
 

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Why in a free country are there a myriad of government rules we the free people are responsible to look up and follow?

How about getting back to common law/natural law roots?
 

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They are resposibilities. Im not saying I agree with all of them or that they obligate someone to exercise their right to bear arms. Im saying that like it or not, if you choose to have a firearm in your possesion, you are reponsible for knowing and following all of the federal/state/local, laws/reguations/rules regarding firearms. Being responsible for following those rules, by definition, makes them resposibilities.
No it doesn't. They're just assertions foisted on others in order to control them.

Being "held responsible" is far, far different from being responsible. Simply put, responsibility is being the source of causation. The state is demanding I cause or not cause certain things to occur. And, if I do not comply, they will twist responsibility into blame: "He should have done such-and-such, but he didn't, and now its all his fault! Punish him!"

Phfffft!!

As soon as I hear someone say or write, "...has a responsibility to..." I am instantly on the alert. Too often the assertion is just a pathetic attempt at control.
 
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No it doesn't. They're just assertions foisted on others in order to control them.

Being "held responsible" is far, far different from being responsible. Simply put, responsibility is being the source of causation. The state is demanding I cause or not cause certain things to occur. And, if I do not comply, they will twist responsibility into blame: "He should have done such-and-such, but he didn't, and now its all his fault! Punish him!"

Phfffft!!

As soon as I hear someone say or write, "...has a responsibility to..." I am instantly on the alert. Too often the assertion is just a pathetic attempt at control.
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