I am opening a new thread to repeat my reply to the Philly Police Memo thread and to consolidate my thread from the Penna Firearms Owners Asssoc site. I noticed that the Phila Commissioner's memo re OC started off saying that "no police officer can know who does or does not possess a LTCF." That is the RAS to seize, disarm, cuff and detain an OCer since, until the officer verifies that there is a LTCF, he cannot know that the OC is legal in Phila. (For outsiders, OC in Phila and only in Phila requires a LTCF). I wonder what the effect would be if OCers had a reduced size copy of their LTCF laminated and attached to their holster plus a full size copy (notarized?) hanging from a chain around their neck plus the original in their wallet for backup. Could the PPD justify a stop with evidence of the OC being legal right in front of their noses? Just like an officer can tell at a glance that a motor vehicle is licensed and inspected by the documents posted on the vehicle, the legality of the OC could be presumptively verified. The PPD might continue their current practices but how will it play out in court?? If they get spanked a few times in court re the lack of RAS, will the practice change over time on seeing an openly holstered firearm? If OCers make it visually clear they DO have a LTCF, the RAS for a stop dissapears. Only an informal contact would be justified. Ever see an old movie where a camerman or reporter has a PRESS card in their hatband? I do not propose mandating wearing the copies of a LTCF in Phila but if frequent OCers started doing it, I think it would have an effect. Maybe Phila police would start calmily approaching OCers to read the LTCF copies and asking to see the original. Think Kalifornia Stop Lite. That could lead to calm approaches to OCers who do not display the LTCF since they would have learned that OCers are law abiding folks and they know that they have NEVER seen a BG OCing.