()pen(arry
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I suspect he was referring to people improperly using drugs which are not indicated for their conditions, thereby causing fatal side-effects.
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Breaking! Active shooter at clover park technical college.
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I suspect he was referring to people improperly using drugs which are not indicated for their conditions, thereby causing fatal side-effects.
EMNofSeattle
Regular Member
most illegal drugs can not be used safely in any way, tell me of what medical benefit can crack cocaine or black tar heroin?
with the exception of marijuna they're inherently unsafe with no justifiable use.
()pen(arry
Regular Member
And I was wrong lol!
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
First off, So? has nothing to do with my point or with PALO's for that matter after his clarification.
Really? How many people has marijuana killed? And I would say that is the single most popularly used drug, although recently made legal in this state please contribute to how many deaths it has caused.
That being said, I would never condone and I would fire an employee who continued to be under the influence of that substance at my work place.
I would fire someone who was under the constant influence of prescribed Oxycontin or even strong codeine even quicker, you would think that someone who believes (falsely in my opinion) that being a cop is a tough job would want even a stricter policy.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
LOL....that was quick..
People have an innate nature of self preservation even when engaging in harmful activities. Your overbroad stroke shows an ignorance of illegal drugs and their usage. Your latter part of your sentence is a pure fallacious red herring.
But for your education these substances has only come to prominent use by .......prohibition.
Gentlemen - this thread is about "Active shooter at clover park technical college".
Discussion about Rx drugs or illegal drugs rightfully fits only in the Social Lounge unless there is a direct connect to the OP (OC or RKBA) which is not the case here.
Discussion about Rx drugs or illegal drugs rightfully fits only in the Social Lounge unless there is a direct connect to the OP (OC or RKBA) which is not the case here.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
I apologize, you are right, but so easily distracted by the misconceptions..........
I apologize, you are right, but so easily distracted by the misconceptions..........
Me too
I just got called down (indirectly) on another thread when the topic strayed way off center and I contributed to it, the OP complained and he was right.
EMNofSeattle
Regular Member
and there wasn't an actual shooter, active or passive, so this just turned into a cop-bashing thread because apparently the police should just refuse to respond to calls involving people with brandished guns chasing other people on a college campus....
davidmcbeth
Banned
Im well aware of that, but it completely ignores the point.
Again, why would the PD fire a cop who was addicted to prescription meds? Is being addicted to prescription meds a crime?
no.
Is it misconduct? No. It's not "conduct" at all. It's a state of "being" so to speak. It's actually a state wherein the body's homeostasis has changed such that it seeks a balance of having drugs on board so to speak, speaking specifically of physical addiction.
I am confident that in my agency, if an officer sought help for addiction to prescription meds, that he would get help. In fact, I just checked our insurance plan and it covers drug rehab treatment. There is nothing in our rules of conduct or other manuals that would justify punishing an officer for becoming addicted to prescription meds. And fwiw, being addicted to prescription meds does not necessarily mean they were abused (used in ways, amounts not authorized by prescription).
There are many cases where people with chronic pain, such as from a collision, become addicted to opioids, for example. That's not a crime, it's not misconduct and any humane police agency would help an officer out who acknowledged a problem and sought help.
And again, the point is that tv shows on the whole do not portray cops in the way the OP claimed. Maybe there are one or two shows that do, but the vast majority don't. The major distortion of reality they commit, just like doctor shows like ER etc. I might add, is to grossly over portray the action. Iow, the average cop might fire his gun line of duty once every 14 yrs iirc, but in many tv shows, it's far more frequent. Because a cop show that realistically potrayed day to day police work would be boring. There is definitely some great action on the job, but there is way more time spent writing paper and doing very routine stuff.
I'm curious what shows or movies that OP can cite that portray cops in the superhero without flaws etc. way he claims.
Most police agencies have a policy where if an officer is taking a prescription drug or an over the counter drug for that matter, that could affect his ability to perform his duties, that he must report usage of that drug to his supervisor. That's my agency's policy.
It's awesome that MJ has been legalized in WA, and of course it is about as non-toxic as a drug can be. It doesn't even have a documented LD50 value.
Even though it's legal at the state level, our dept. policy prohibits an officer from using it, since it's still a schedule I drug under the federal codes.
The unsafe aspect of most illegal drugs is that since they are black market, you often get adulterated drugs and/or there is no way of knowing the potency which is of course dangerous.
This isn't the case with diverted prescription drugs, of course.
The medical benefit of heroin is as a narcotic analgesic. Heroin was originally synthesized FOR exactly that purpose and in some countries heroin is used by doctors for that purpose to this day. For example, in the UK heroin is PRESCRIBED legally for severe pain.
Crack cocaine has no medical use, but cocaine itself is used in certain surgeries to this day. That's why it's schedule II. It has legitimate medical use
As long as one knows the dosage one is getting and if the drug is not adulterated, MOST illegal drugs can be used safely. They also can be absued and of course all the way tot he point of OD and death.
I've been to a LOT of heroin OD's. Imo, narcan should be OTC because 2/3 of all heroin/opioid overdoses are observed and thus there would be somebody present to administer if the person stops breathing. I've seen it used in the field (currently I am a cop and used to be a firefighter/medic) and it's magic.
Marijuana, another illegal drug, (but not in my state), has a host of medical benefits. For example, it can help improve appetite for people suffering various ailments.
And of course being able to be used safely is a differnt metric than offering a medical benefit.
The "justifiable use" for MOST illegal drugs is the pleasurable feeling they provide. That's not a bad thing; that's why many people use alcohol. Those of us who are agains the war on drugs, think that it's entirely justified for people to use whatever drug they want to seek a high, as long as they pay the consequences for abuse.
One example of a "justifiable use" of an illegal drug is that many people find that amphetamines help them focus and stay alert for studying. I knew a guy in college who was one of the top students in the school who used them for that purpose. The military for many years issued amphetamines to pilots and some other people for use in circ's where they needed to stay alert and awake.
Most drugs have benefits and drawbacks. And most drugs can be abused to the point where they are dangerous and detrimental to health, but that's a function of how they are used, not the drugs themselves. A person who uses cocaine once a week or so for pleasure isn't harming anybody and isn't endangering themselves if they do it responsibly, and assuming they can get cocaine that isn't adulterated with god knows what.
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sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
I'd love to respond to PALO and his avoidance of the point being made but apparently he didn't see the warning about it being off topic.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Nope, not bashing, it wasn't just a response it was an excuse to shut down and thwart a free people in an exercise of martial law.
marshaul
Campaign Veteran
Mmm, yes, exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. Good thing we have our army to fight these constant gun battles and the like, amirite?
I never said a thing about what the mythos says about individual officers, other than that they are heroic. Go back and read my post again. When I said they "possess infinite technology, weaponry, and capability", I was referring to the institution, not the individual cops.
It's the classic pretension of mediocre telewriters: they load their show up with BS "wow" factor (elite SWAT teams who always have something justifiable to do and NSA computers which know everything – contrary to reality in both cases), and then they stroke their notion of their own "artistic integrity" by writing clichéd characters with artificial "emotional depth" and contrived "human flaws".
(I know this tangent is off-topic, but the original topic is about something that didn't happen anyway, plus PALO is making it sound like I said things I didn't.
)I do agree with what you said about drugs, however. +1
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Freedom1Man
Regular Member
Why will he not address the fact that I just crushed him with my last response to him?
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Why will he not address the fact that I just crushed him with my last response to him?
Don't take it personal you are not the only one.
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
Why will he not address the fact that I just crushed him with my last response to him?
Because its a common police tactic. Every jerk cop who ever showed up on this forum did the same thing.
The hilarious part is that they lump themselves in with CaPatriot by using that tactic.
I'm of the opinion that you can roughly gauge their behavior and ability by their use of that tactic. The better cop members here don't use it--they address things head-on. The crappy cops who left used it anywhere from a little to a lot.
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The "common tactic" is that you are obsessed with your petty cop-hate to the point of delusion, strawmen and silliness.
Get over yourself. We are all fighting for the same cause - constitutional carry nationwide. You can keep seeing things that aren't there, getting offended for no reason, misrepresenting others' position and engaging in a circle jerk with the little cadre of cop haters, but it only makes you look silly.
I get it. You don't like cops. Wonderful. But regardless, we are here, we are fighting for RKBA and we aint going away merely because a small cadre is looking to get into arguments and getting offended for no reason. My favorite delusion (not yours) was that I was trying to suppress the rights of open carry longgunners, because I expressed my opinion about them. It's a wonderful thing that our firearms rights have been expanding over the last several decades, not to mention we are at a 40 yr low for crime. There's a lot to celebrate. So get over your petty prejudices and join the adults, those who can discuss topics without throwing in petty jabs at every turn, looking to get offended when no offense is given, looking to argue when you actually agree , etc.
Most people here are quite reasonable and the broad knowledge of law (both constitutional and case law) amongst the denizens here is quite refreshing. I enjoy discourse with the reasonable and will do my best to avoid getting drawn into your petty little snipe fests. Feel free to wallow in the mud and create controversy and positions so you can tilt against them full speed ahead
It's silly.
Get over yourself. We are all fighting for the same cause - constitutional carry nationwide. You can keep seeing things that aren't there, getting offended for no reason, misrepresenting others' position and engaging in a circle jerk with the little cadre of cop haters, but it only makes you look silly.
I get it. You don't like cops. Wonderful. But regardless, we are here, we are fighting for RKBA and we aint going away merely because a small cadre is looking to get into arguments and getting offended for no reason. My favorite delusion (not yours) was that I was trying to suppress the rights of open carry longgunners, because I expressed my opinion about them. It's a wonderful thing that our firearms rights have been expanding over the last several decades, not to mention we are at a 40 yr low for crime. There's a lot to celebrate. So get over your petty prejudices and join the adults, those who can discuss topics without throwing in petty jabs at every turn, looking to get offended when no offense is given, looking to argue when you actually agree , etc.
Most people here are quite reasonable and the broad knowledge of law (both constitutional and case law) amongst the denizens here is quite refreshing. I enjoy discourse with the reasonable and will do my best to avoid getting drawn into your petty little snipe fests. Feel free to wallow in the mud and create controversy and positions so you can tilt against them full speed ahead
It's silly.