Boston....was there exigent circumstance?

[AZRobert]

Can someone please tell me why people pulled from their homes and then identified as not the terrorist then subjected to pat downs and searches?
What exactly are you searching for on my person if you have already identified that I am not the person you are looking for?
Why exactly are you invading my privacy and infringing on my rights?

What did I do wrong to give you reason to do this?


Also saying it's 'standard procedure' doesn't meet muster.

 

[Citizen]

Can someone please tell me why people pulled from their homes and then identified as not the terrorist then subjected to pat downs and searches?
What exactly are you searching for on my person if you have already identified that I am not the person you are looking for?

Well, the first thing that jumps to mind is that they know they are violating people's rights, and don't wanta be backshot by a pissed-off red-blooded American.

 

[AZRobert]

Can someone please tell me why people pulled from their homes and then identified as not the terrorist then subjected to pat downs and searches?
What exactly are you searching for on my person if you have already identified that I am not the person you are looking for?
Why exactly are you invading my privacy and infringing on my rights?

What did I do wrong to give you reason to do this?


Also saying it's 'standard procedure' doesn't meet muster.

But if you are a good LEO and know that doing such a thing would violates someone's rights why would you do it?
Yes the whole I don't get it act is a bit of a play, however I'm hoping it makes my point, or helps to illustrate it.

Awareness is the issue, people are not aware of what happened because it's not being reported. I know some folks on here are down on facebook, however it's a very quick way to get information out to a bunch of people. As long as you aren't worried about someone being upset by your point of view.

 

[palerider116]

Even the commander in chief showed up to hunt down the terrorists.

 

[marshaul]

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Even the commander in chief showed up to hunt down the terrorists.

lol! Good one. :lol:

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Hahhahahahahahaahahaha!!

Just because the Nazi's murdered millions (the worst), suddenly SVG's comment is wrong?

Notice how our college boy had to shift from SVGs comparative "in many cases much worse" to a superlative (photos of murdered millions).

EMN couldn't even argue the same point, so he had to go and change it. Hahahahahahahahaha!!

Of course he had to change it. What he is avoiding is all the police state build up that led to those slaughters too, they didn't overnight go from a non police state to a police state slaughtering people.

I was just talking to someone the other day and I'm not sure how true it was they were saying the German government took a tactic of making those it decided to kill as "stateless", so they had no rights.....made me think about those drone attacks and the claims that only citizens are afforded "constitutional rights".

 

[wrearick]

Fox News starting to ask questions

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...ents-told-to-get-their-guns/?intcmp=obnetwork

 

[Fallschirjmäger]

This just occurred to me and I'm really trying not to contemplate it too hard... but,







What if we're missing the most exigent circumstance of all, at least in the eyes of a special few?





"He killed a cop."

 

[marshaul]

This just occurred to me and I'm really trying not to contemplate it too hard... but,





What if we're missing the most exigent circumstance of all, at least in the eyes of a special few?





"He killed a cop."

The conduct of the LA police during the Dorner manhunt would seem to support your supposition.

Generally police do not shoot your vehicle 20-some times because it maybe resembles a suspect's.

 

[palerider116]

Exigency is not a blank check to go into Rambo mode.

LA - stay away

Boston - stay away

Adding more and more to my avoid list.

 

[eye95]

This just occurred to me and I'm really trying not to contemplate it too hard... but,

What if we're missing the most exigent circumstance of all, at least in the eyes of a special few?

"He killed a cop."

The following could be exigent circumstances: "He killed a cop. Then he ran into that house there." The exigent circumstances might exist for that house there.

 

[crazydude6030]

The following could be exigent circumstances: "He killed a cop. Then he ran into that house there." The exigent circumstances might exist for that house there.

I been reading and they are justifying it something like this.

He was on foot and they had a good idea of the area he was in. They didn't know if he was forcefully taken anyone else hostage as they did the suv driver who escaped. They didn't know if he would blow up a house or himself. So therefore they had to go door to door and check everyone out just in case he was holding someone hostage.

 

[marshaul]

He was on foot and they had a good idea of the area he was in. They didn't know if he was forcefully taken anyone else hostage as they did the suv driver who escaped. They didn't know if he would blow up a house or himself. So therefore they had to go door to door and check everyone out just in case he was holding someone hostage.

Well, being that, at literally all times, they "don't know" if I have been forcefully taken hostage, clearly SWAT needs to bust down my door daily to check.

 

[crazydude6030]

Well, being that, at literally all times, they "don't know" if I have been forcefully taken hostage, clearly SWAT needs to bust down my door daily to check.

I have yet to see a single report where anyone had their door busted down. Have you? In fact most of the reports from people in that area said they knocked respectfully and move on as quickly as they came.

 

[crazydude6030]

Media Magic: Not One Angry Person in Boston http://www.infowars.com/media-magic-not-one-angry-person-in-boston/

http://static.infowars.com/2013/04/i/general/happiness.jpg

I know the aclu or some other groups are asking people to talk to them. Don't get me wrong what happened concerns me too, but right now seems people on both sides are slinging mud around on this

 

[crazydude6030]

Which two, "both", sides are these?

I have only seen two sides on this... Those that defend the action of locking down that area for door to door searches and those that question it.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

I been reading and they are justifying it something like this.

He was on foot and they had a good idea of the area he was in. They didn't know if he was forcefully taken anyone else hostage as they did the suv driver who escaped. They didn't know if he would blow up a house or himself. So therefore they had to go door to door and check everyone out just in case he was holding someone hostage.

So let's endanger hostages by knocking on the hostages door ....and if he is in there.......ridiculous harmful, dangerous tactics that have no logic behind them.

 

[Fallschirjmäger]

He was on foot and they had a good idea of the area he was in. They didn't know if he was forcefully taken anyone else hostage as they did the suv driver who escaped. They didn't know if he would blow up a house or himself. So therefore they had to go door to door and check everyone out just in case he was holding someone hostage.

We don't know if he had forced his way into a house
We don't know if he had taken a hostage
We don't know if he had more bombs


We don't know if that black man driving the BMW didn't steal it, we've got to stop him to find out. Just in case, and from an 'overabundance of caution', of course.

 

[crazydude6030]

We don't know if he had forced his way into a house
We don't know if he had taken a hostage
We don't know if he had more bombs


We don't know if that black man driving the BMW didn't steal it, we've got to stop him to find out. Just in case, and from an 'overabundance of caution', of course.

So let me get this right. A guy who got into a police shootout already wanted for blowing up 150+ people and then runs his own brother over to get away. A guy who tossed pipe bombs another pressure cooker bomb during the chase is somehow not probable cause?

Come on man, we are not talking apples to apple's here. A guy driving a BMW isn't going to get stopped without cause say speeding or unless he too ran his brother over. Oh and please lets not to to inject race into an already screwed up issue

They did have a reason for concern and you would have to have your head in the sand or some other dark place to think otherwise.

I do think they crossed a line but I wasn't there. I didn't have anyone knock on my door. I didn't have any guns pointed at me. So I have no first hand experience and what I think I know is mute. We have people in the media itching to prove there was some violation and others who say there wasn't.

Let someone who was there and had their house searched at the point of a gun sue and let the courts rule.

 

[marshaul]

I have yet to see a single report where anyone had their door busted down. Have you? In fact most of the reports from people in that area said they knocked respectfully and move on as quickly as they came.

Let me try again:

Well, being that, at literally all times, they "don't know" if I have been forcefully taken hostage, clearly SWAT needs to "respectfully knock on my door and move on as quickly as they came", but only after forcing me to run down the street with my hands on my head to be searched absent RAS.

I fail to see what meaningful difference that makes.