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Book and video recommendation, The War Like No Other: How the Athenians and the Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War, by Victor Davis Hanson

Doug_Nightmare

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Victor Davis Hanson’s ‘The War Like No Other’ video is 2 hours long but faster than the book that I’m half way through. His previous book that I have read is The Case for Trump, which I will re-read after I finish with the Peloponnesian War.


Panderfest2020 trailer illustrates the contrast in political discourse. It’s just a couple of minutes long.


I find the parallels between American politics and the history of Ancient Greece and the Peloponnesian War disturbing. Victor Davis Hanson consciously draws out these parallels in the video and the book, written in about 2005. Perhaps he will be our Thucydides.
 

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...great...what is the goode doctor going to do about it beyond a video...
Same as any citizen or teacher, act as though there is a God and make the best personal decisions. Words alone (solus) are anile and moot. Only action is effective.

What are YOU going to do about it beyond virtue signaling here?
 

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I challenged the goode doctor, not you...how about repacking your inner millennial...virtue signaling...

Unfortunate it is that you offer yourself up as better than this...on the interwebz anyway...

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I challenged the goode doctor,
Really ineffectively channeling your inner Solus. I am sure that with a close reading of the OP that the author’s e-mail can be found. But you have no standing to challenge anyone.

Victor Davis Hanson and I have corresponded on California agricultural topics - I worked on a comparable and reasonably well known farm as his - and on Mogen Herman Hansen’s The Athenian Democracy in the Age of Demosthenes, the book that led me to ‘A War Like No Other.” He is at Stanford U.
 

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Really ineffectively channeling your inner Solus. I am sure that with a close reading of the OP that the author’s e-mail can be found. But you have no standing to challenge anyone.

Victor Davis Hanson and I have corresponded on California agricultural topics - I worked on a comparable and reasonably well known farm as his - and on Mogen Herman Hansen’s The Athenian Democracy in the Age of Demosthenes, the book that led me to ‘A War Like No Other.” He is at Stanford U.
Since we're bragging....California agriculture is not unknown to me, being from the south and all that I am. My Daddy traveled at the behest of Shell Oil, and I with him from time to time on summer breaks, around this country and the Americas to advise those he met on farming best practices. Working on a farm and owning a farm are many times two different things...and I ain't talking 40 acres of raisins and a mule...

My Daddy farmed (owned) over 5000 acres in Darlington, Florence and Williamsburg county, down to just over 1000 acres these days and timber is the crop these days. Not a big operation, then or now, depending on who you speak to, but pretty big by late 60's early 70's rural South Carolina standards...even today the land is pretty big. My family has been farming SC since the 1760s...what say the goode doctor, you know him, ask him.

The goode doctor can defend himself...

Edit: spelling
 
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Oh dear dougie, i missed that fact of your braggart bravado on your wiki page that you “corresponded” with Hanson...

Wow...i’m so glad mine was a humble life like Diogenes of Sinope...

IPSE
 

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No big deal. I asked for his opinion of Mogen Herman Hansen’s The Athenian Democracy in the Age of Demosthenes, a subject and era of which Victor Davis Hanson is expert, and a recommendation for further reading which led me to his The War Like No Other

I remember too the reception that an expert on gun law got here, when John R. Lott, Jr. stopped by - and never again. Dr. Lott and I have been distantly acquainted since 1996 or so when he met with South Carolina’s Grass Roots Gun Rights - and we have corresponded occasionally since. Oh, and a Sconnie attorney that posted once or twice and not again. No wonder OCDO is dying.

Like Trump, it’s not bragging when one has already done it.
 
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No big deal. I asked for his opinion of Mogen Herman Hansen’s The Athenian Democracy in the Age of Demosthenes, a subject and era of which Victor Davis Hanson is expert, and a recommendation for further reading which led me to his The War Like No Other

I remember too the reception that an expert on gun law got here, when John R. Lott, Jr. stopped by - and never again. Dr. Lott and I have been distantly acquainted since 1996 or so when he met with South Carolina’s Grass Roots Gun Rights - and we have corresponded occasionally since. Oh, and a Sconnie attorney that posted once or twice and not again. No wonder OCDO is dying.

Like Trump, it’s not bragging when one has already done it.
Yes dougie...please, please ensure you’re appropriately trained to safely carry concealed, and of course your firearms are registered with the appropriate governmental entity...per Lott’s 21yo guidance....

Further, your exhibition of grandiosity, need for admiration, and lack of empathy is absolutely amazing...
 

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Really, empathy with Solus Ipse, the very name of solipsism and lack of affect. I must be superior on the hierarchy of autism spectrum than dog-man.
Alas you yourself due, mainly, to your egotistical perceived intellectual superiority have failed to explore the philosophical aspects of what you believe is insulting rants at me...

while no great philosopher has explicitly espoused solipsism, this can be attributed to the inconsistency of much philosophical reasoning. Many philosophers have failed to accept the logical consequences of their own most fundamental commitments and preconceptions. The foundations of solipsism lie at the heart of the view that the individual gets his own psychological concepts (thinking, willing, perceiving, and so forth.) from "his own cases," that is by abstraction from "inner experience."

Second, solipsism merits close examination because it is based upon three widely entertained philosophical presuppositions, which are themselves of fundamental and wide-ranging importance. These are:
(a) What I know most certainly are the contents of my own mind - my thoughts, experiences, affective states, and so forth.;

(b) There is no conceptual or logically necessary link between the mental and the physical. For example, there is no necessary link between the occurrence of certain conscious experiences or mental states and the "possession" and behavioral dispositions of a body of a particular kind; and

(c) The experiences of a given person are necessarily private to that person.

So dougie, you, by your narcissistic philosophy read bragging are fulfilling the first paragraph’s premise and interesting showing a predisposition to meeting a)!

Please keep embarrassing yourself by exhibiting how your intellect has failed you by not researching a providence dating back to documented evidence 1M bce. [King, Richard; Ācārya, Gauḍapāda (1995), Early Advaita Vedānta and Buddhism: the Mahāyāna context of the Gauḍapādīya-kārikā, SUNY Press, p. 52, ISBN 978-0-7914-2513-8]

Cheers mate

PS: BTW, sorry autism/asperger’s are developmental neurological disorder w/symptoms of difficulty of language and communicative skills. please cease providing misinformation which lend credence to an already confused citizenry.
 
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We do not know what the OP knows...we know only what he reads...
The difference between the almost right word & the right word is really a large matter--it's the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning. - Mark Twain - Letter to George Bainton, 15 October 1888
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A wee bit before the 4 minute mark...then again at the 13:20 mark...then again at 23:20...
 
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Should do what the Khan's did.........it won't be for 27+ yrs. war, it will be over in a few years.
 
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