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[Marco]

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why do all these threads become us vs.the cops:banghead:

the Original Post isn't about that

 

[LEO 229]

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doctork wrote:

This is the first message I have posted on this site. I don't understand your message about going around and around.

You may not have said anything prior about it but many other members have.

PM sent to answer your post.

 

[LEO 229]

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Agent19 wrote:

why do all these threads become us vs.the cops:banghead:

the Original Post isn't about that

In one way or another.... each thread has some type of police contact.

Man + Gun + In Public = Police Contact

Police = Problems

Not all police contacts are bad but..... all the bad contacts are being posted here.

Not a bad thing to inform others since it let's others know what "can" happen. But it does cause resentment and all cops get lumped into one pot.

This, in turn, creates the US vs Them.

 

[smccomas]

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"Not all police contacts are bad but..... all the bad contacts are being posted here" LEO229

Thats not entirely true. Someone posted on another state there experience, where they went into convenient store there was an officer present and the only contact was a nod a holding of a door that was it. According to the OP he was OCing

I call that a good contact

 

[xd.40]

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I think what LEO 229 is referring to the contacts where cops are bashed. Even in the positive posts that I have read, some posters (whether joking or not) still bash the police. I think it's a lose-lose situation until all we hear are positive encounters (Don't hold your breath though... we might be seeing people like this -> :cuss :lol:

 

[smccomas]

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xd.40 wrote:

I think what LEO 229 is referring to the contacts where cops are bashed. Even in the positive posts that I have read, some posters (whether joking or not) still bash the police. I think it's a lose-lose situation until all we hear are positive encounters (Don't hold your breath though... we might be seeing people like this -> :cuss :lol:

You have a point, I think he also takes it personal much like when someone writes ex marine or civilian versus citizen it jumps out at me.

 

[longwatch]

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OK lets not get into OCers vs. the Police either, its not germane to this discussion.

 

[smccomas]

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longwatch wrote:

OK lets not get into OCers vs. the Police either, its not germane to this discussion.

Just makin an observation boss. besides "OCers vs. the Police" we out number them.:celebrate

 

[longwatch]

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That was aimed at LEO 229 too, he put a pretty serious charge out there.

 

[smccomas]

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longwatch wrote:

That was aimed at LEO 229 too, he put a pretty serious charge out there.

True, I don't always agree with him but his points are valid and most of the time I believe he is correct according to the letter of the law. (IMO) If it deviates from that I page down.

On topic of this thread the OP mademistake that MAY have broke the letter of the law, I don't know I amnot a lawyer and I didn't stay at a holiday inn.

If it was me I would fight it in court.

 

[longwatch]

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I think you would lose that fight its not like its a vaguely worded code. Now if you wanted to fight the constitutionality of the law, you might have something.

 

[sjhipple]

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longwatch wrote:

I think you would lose that fight its not like its a vaguely worded code. Now if you wanted to fight the constitutionality of the law, you might have something.

There are always plea bargains...but if you take a plea, I would reserve the right to appeal the constitutionality of the law, as longwatch said. Also, the DA, may be willing to give you some sort of break...given that you have no record and what not. Don't give up hope.

I think one good challenge would be that it's cruel and unusual punishment. The Model Penal Code states that "strict liability" offenses (i.e., those crimes that involve no guilty mind...crimes that don't require to have been aware of what you were doing or negligent/reckless in the carrying out of the act) should ONLY be "violations," not crimes and should only be punishable with small fines (e.g., you park in a spot that was illegal to park in, but had no way in heaven or earth of knowing...you still have to pay the fine...but that's a violation with a small fine...not a misdemeanor).

 

[PT111]

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longwatch wrote:

I think you would lose that fight its not like its a vaguely worded code. Now if you wanted to fight the constitutionality of the law, you might have something.

I have no idea about the whether the OP is guilty or not being unfamiliar with the laws involved but this is a great point. Too many people choose to ignore laws simply because they do not agree with them for whatever reason. When a law is placed on the books the only ways to change them is either to challenge them in court or work to get the law changed. To simply ignore them without the will to fully challege them is not going to accomplish anything other than making your life miserable. We can complain on this board or others all we want to but that isn't going to do anything but allow you to vent your frustrations. Bashing LEO isn't going to do any good because they are carrying out the law which is their job, not to interpret the law or act a judge and jury as most on here seem to want them to do.

If you feel a law is unjust then do something about it other than complain.

 

[HankT]

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PT111 wrote:

longwatch wrote:

I think you would lose that fight its not like its a vaguely worded code. Now if you wanted to fight the constitutionality of the law, you might have something.

I have no idea about the whether the OP is guilty or not being unfamiliar with the laws involved but this is a great point. Too many people choose to ignore laws simply because they do not agree with them for whatever reason. When a law is placed on the books the only ways to change them is either to challenge them in court or work to get the law changed. To simply ignore them without the will to fully challege them is not going to accomplish anything other than making your life miserable. We can complain on this board or others all we want to but that isn't going to do anything but allow you to vent your frustrations. Bashing LEO isn't going to do any good because they are carrying out the law which is their job, not to interpret the law or act a judge and jury as most on here seem to want them to do.

If you feel a law is unjust then do something about it other than complain.

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Candidate for Best Post of theWeek.



The rapidity with which advocates go from a strict construction of laws (when their enemies break them) to a flexible construction of laws (when their friends are in a jam) is utterly amazing. It's just being politically correct, of course (don't we all just hate political correctness?). But it convinces no reasonable person. It changes nothing. It often goes beyond just grousing and complaining--all the way to whining.

 

[peter nap]

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Too many people choose to ignore laws simply because they do not agree with them for whatever reason. When a law is placed on the books the only ways to change them is either to challenge them in court or work to get the law changed. To simply ignore them without the will to fully challege them is not going to accomplish anything other than making your life miserable. We can complain on this board or others all we want to but that isn't going to do anything but allow you to

OH....I don't know about that
It depends on the law or more specifically, the penalty.

Felonies, I am very careful about. Yes I commit them sometimes and so does every one else. The things that have been reclassified as a felony is mind boggling. Did you know wearing a dust mask while mowing your lawn during hay fever season without an affidavit from your Doctor, is a class 6 felony
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-422

A class 1 misdemeanor ....I am cautious about.

Anything below, I ignore when I don't like it but am prepared to pay a fine if caught. I once had a bet with my accountant as to who could go the longest with a dead inspection sticker without getting caught. We went a year before he got a ticket in South Boston of all places.:shock:

 

[ilbob]

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longwatch wrote:

Lets not go round and round with the LEO citizen doublestandard please.

Good idea. No way to resolve it, and it just frustrates everyone.

 

[ilbob]

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Agent19 wrote:

why do all these threads become us vs.the cops:banghead:

the Original Post isn't about that

Most of us have legitimate concerns about the extent of government power. Guess who is the sharp stick in enforcing government edicts?

The guys we should really be mad at are the legislatures. But they have managed to insulate themselves pretty well from any serious public scrutiny about the effects of the laws they bring into existence.

We should also be mad at the various executive branch politicans who fail miserably in their duty to protect us from police misconduct and overreaching.

 

[Marco]

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stupid laws are everywhere.

 

[roscoe13]

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Agent19 wrote:

or upon any private property in this Commonwealth without first having obtained from the owner or tenant thereof consent to do so in writing.

So, if I'm the owner, do I have to give myself permission in writing?!?!?

 

[Marco]

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IANALNDIPOOTV :lol: