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Are y'all ready for kwikrnu's open carry visit to the legislature?

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If you honestly believe I'm giving up my fist amendment rights because of some forum, you're out of your mind.

Um, that is a silly position to take. You do not have a first amendment right on a web forum that someone else owns. You can express your first amendment right on a web forum YOU own, but here, you are bound by the constraints by the rules you agreed to follow when you joined this forum, which is owned by someone else. This web forum is the first amendment expression of someone other than you, I, or any of the other users. The owner can freely edit, censor, or otherwise block access to anyone THEY choose, whether you like it or not.
 

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This reminds me of a funny GIF I came across a long time ago.

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Wouldn't be the first time, sure as hell won't be the last.
 

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I would also like to mention this guy is most likely suffering from some type of mental illness. That's why the police stopped him.
 

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Please, stop embarrassing yourself.

Reference §HRS 134-1

"Assault pistol" means a semiautomatic pistol which accepts a detachable magazine and which has two or more of the following characteristics:
(1) An ammunition magazine which attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward hand grip, or silencer;
(3) A shroud which is attached to or partially or completely encircles the barrel and which permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the second hand without being burned;
(4) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded;
(5) A centerfire pistol with an overall length of twelve inches or more; or
(6) It is a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm;
but does not include a firearm with a barrel sixteen or more inches in length, an antique pistol as defined in this section or a curio or relic as those terms are used in 18 United States Code §921(16) or 27 Code of Federal Regulations 178.11.

Keltec,

No offense, but you have fallen into using anti-gunner terminology.

Nobody ever considered an AR or any other semi-auto firearm an "assault weapon" until the anti-gunners used the term to sensationalize.

An assualt rifle was and still is a military arm with certain characteristics.

It helps in understanding if we go back in time to a point prior to assault rifles. Lets go to the turn of the century. At that time there were full-size bolt action battle rifles. For example, the Mauser K98 (1898), and the 1903 Springfield. Battle rifles fired bullets of a certain weight at velocities that made them effective out to what? 900-1000 yards. Lets focus for a moment on the 1903 Springfield. It used the .30-06 cartridge. (That's right, the .30-06 started life as a military cartridge).

Move forward in time to WWII. The US had the M1 Garand, a full-size battle rifle and semi-automatic.

Across the same period, submachine guns came into use. These were fully-automatic, but fired pistol ammunition. An example would be the Tommy gun which fired .45 ACP cartridges. I don't recall the designation or caliber of the German submachine gun, but I imagine it was 9MM.

So, up to WWII you had full-size battle rifles firing cartridges of a certain size, and submachine guns firing pistol ammo.

Then, along about 1942 German engineers realized it would be handy to have a fully automatic rifle. So, they invented the Sturmgehwer (sturm-guh-vair). They made it with intermediate ammo--stronger than pistol ammo, not as strong as battle rifle ammo. Which meant they could put more cartridges in a magazine, and a soldier could carry more ammo. Fortunately for the Allies, this German rifle did not make it onto the battlefield in sufficient quantities. It caused real problems where it was used. It was fully capable of full-auto fire, had plenty of ammo capacity, and a much longer reach than a submachine gun's pistol ammo. It was the first assault rifle.

Then, along comes a short, self-taught Russian engineer named Kalashnikov. He decided the Motherland needed an answer to the Sturmgehwer. He invented the AK-47, adopted by the Russian army in 1947.

In the 1950's an American engineer named Eugene Stoner used his experience with materials from the aircraft industry to invent the M16.

So, there's the rough history of assault rifles. An assault rifle is a military weapon, capable of fully automatic fire, firing an intermediate cartridge. Being military weapons, they have bayonet studs for affixing bayonets, or a bayonet already hinged on the gun.

The anti-gunners wanted to sensationalize, so they stretched the meaning to cover all sorts of non-military semi-automatic weapons. This back in the 1990s. The truth is that there are relatively few genuine assault rifles in civilian hands in this country; being full-auto they require ATF paperwork and are fairly expensive. Last I read, an M16 in good condition runs somewhere between $10K-15K. And, with the closing of the full-auto registry to new additions in (1986?), there are no new full-auto weapons coming into civilian hands.

And, for what it is worth, the last I heard, the only crime committed by a legal privately owned full-auto weapon was by a cop in the northeast, or maybe New York who murdered someone with his privately owned full-auto weapon.
 
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keltec

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Keltec,

No offense, but you have fallen into using anti-gunner terminology.

Nobody ever considered an AR or any other semi-auto firearm an "assault weapon" until the anti-gunners used the term to sensationalize.

An assualt rifle was and still is a military arm with certain characteristics.

It helps in understanding if we go back in time to a point prior to assault rifles. Lets go to the turn of the century. At that time there were full-size bolt action battle rifles. For example, the Mauser K98 (1898), and the 1903 Springfield. Battle rifles fired bullets of a certain weight at velocities that made them effective out to what? 900-1000 yards. Lets focus for a moment on the 1903 Springfield. It used the .30-06 cartridge. (That's right, the .30-06 started life as a military cartridge).

Move forward in time to WWII. The US had the M1 Garand, a full-size battle rifle and semi-automatice.

Across the same period, submachine guns came into use. These were fully-automatic, but fired pistol ammunition. An example would be the Tommy gun which fired .45 ACP cartridges. I don't recall the designation or caliber of the German submachine gun, but I imagine it was 9MM.

So, up to WWII you had full-size battle rifles firing cartridges of a certain size, and submachine guns firing pistol ammo.

Then, along about 1942 German engineers realized it would be handy to have a fully automatic rifle. So, they invented the Sturmgehwer (sturm-guh-vair). They made it with intermediate ammo--stronger than pistol ammo, not as strong as battle rifle ammo. Which meant they could put more cartridges in a magazine, and a soldier could carry more ammo. Fortunately for the Allies, this German rifle did not make it onto the battlefield in sufficient quantities. It caused real problems where it was used. It was fully capable of full-auto fire, had plenty of ammo capacity, and a much longer reach than a submachine gun's pistol ammo. It was the first assault rifle.

Then, along comes a short, self-taught Russian engineer named Kalashnikov. He decided the Motherland needed an answer to the Sturmgehwer. He invented the AK-47, adopted by the Russian army in 1947.

In the 1950's an American engineer named Eugene Stoner used his experience with materials from the aircraft industry to invent the M16.

So, there's the rough history of assault rifles. An assault rifle is a military weapon, capable of fully automatic fire, firing an intermediate cartridge. Being military weapons, they have bayonet studs for affixing bayonets, or a bayonet already hinged on the gun.

The anti-gunners wanted to sensationalize, so they stretched the meaning to cover all sorts of non-military weapons. This back in the 1990s.


An AR-15 in the citizen world has the capability of being fully automatic. Although jail time and great revocation would follow along, it's still possible. Assault rifles were designed so military personnel could "spray" in the trenches during war. Last time I checked, an AR-15 can be sprayed.

I'm not here to argue. I'm a huge gun enthusiast and I am in love with my PF9. Let's end this here and now, ok? I surrender.
 

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An AR-15 in the citizen world has the capability of being fully automatic. Although jail time and great revocation would follow along, it's still possible. Assault rifles were designed so military personnel could "spray" in the trenches during war. Last time I checked, an AR-15 can be sprayed.

I'm not here to argue. I'm a huge gun enthusiast and I am in love with my PF9. Let's end this here and now, ok? I surrender.

I'm not here to argue, either. Educate. The more you know, the better you can operate, the more effective you can be.

Um, trench warfare ended twenty years before the first assault rifle was invented. And, the militaries already had weapons for spraying at trench warfare range--submachine guns. In fact, now that I think about it, I think the Tommy gun was invented precisely for spraying trenches, but didn't make it before the end of WWI.

Last time I checked, and I've checked a few at gun shows, no AR15s could be sprayed, unless you could pull the trigger really, really fast.

Regarding modification, even the venerable .45acp can be modified to fire full-auto by the simple expedient of defeating the disconnector. You see, many semi-auto weapons have some mechanism that fulfills the function of a disconnector. A disconnector basically prevents the gun from firing again until the trigger is pulled again. This is necessary because the gun can cycle faster than you can release the trigger after a shot. If it relied on the shooter releasing the trigger, it would fire multiple shots even if only one shot was wanted. This is meant to be conceptual, not comprehensive. I'm sure there are probably people who can release the trigger fast enough, and guns whose design does not require a disconnector mechanism.

But, the main point is that it was anti-gunners who morphed the definition of assault rifle for their own motives, and invented the term assault weapon for even handguns. All so they could make them seem more menacing, get them restricted (actually banned in some cases), putting more innocent people at the mercy of criminals in and out of government. We play into their hands when we use their terminology their way. This is the genesis of the pro-gun phrase that "assault" is a behavior, not a type of handgun.
 
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keltec

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I'm not here to argue, either. Educate. The more you know, the better you can operate, the more effective you can be.

Um, trench warfare ended twenty years before the first assault rifle was invented. And, the militaries already had weapons for spraying at trench warfare range--submachine guns. In fact, now that I think about it, I think the Tommy gun was invented precisely for spraying trenches, but didn't make it before the end of WWI.

Last time I checked, and I've checked a few at gun shows, no AR15s could be sprayed, unless you could pull the trigger really, really fast.

Regarding modification, even the venerable .45acp can be modified to fire full-auto by the simple expedient of defeating the disconnector. You see, many semi-auto weapons have some mechanism that fulfills the function of a disconnector. A disconnector basically prevents the gun from firing again until the trigger is pulled again. This is necessary because the gun can cycle faster than you can release the trigger after a shot. If it relied on the shooter releasing the trigger, it would fire multiple shots even if only one shot was wanted. This is meant to be conceptual, not comprehensive. I'm sure there are probably people who can release the trigger fast enough, and guns whose design does not require a disconnector mechanism.

But, the main point is that it was anti-gunners who morphed the definition of assault rifle for their own motives, and invented the term assault weapon for even handguns. All so they could make them seem more menacing, get them restricted (actually banned in some cases), putting more innocent people at the mercy of criminals in and out of government. We play into their hands when we use their terminology their way. This is the genesis of the pro-gun phrase that "assault" is a behavior, not a type of handgun.


Thank you very much for clarifying. I was under the impression an "assault" rifle is a military-grade weapon that can be sprayed. Now that I know legislators gave it this nickname, I will no longer use that terminology.

Happy New and Open Carry Year!
 

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A few comments about this thread (and some others):

It seems that every thread about kwik winds up this same way, more of a ******* and arguing contest than anything else with no one making any real contribution to the discussion of what is going on

I have no idea what the point of kwik's actions in his little demonstrations are. I understand the occupy movement much better but there doesn't seem to be any real point to his actions other than to push buttons to the limit. Maybe he is just doing it for the publicity or to hopefully win a lawsuit and reap a monetary award from the gubmint.

The whole discussion about whether it is an assault rifle, pistol, plain pistol or whatever is getting old and since it has been hashed around at least 1,000 times a final result isn't going to happen.

The one thing that stood out to me more than anything else was when kwik painted the tip of his gun orange. That more than anything else made me think WTH is he thinking.

I don't know what he is trying to accomplish but in my opinion only kwik is either mentally unstable or obsessed to the point that he has become a danger to himself. While he is doing all this carrying and demonstrating I don't think he is a danger to anyone and the likelyhood of him actually using to gun to shoot anyone is close to zero. He does seem rather careless in his handling with all the different methods and I think he could make the same statements if he would carry without the guns being loaded. However I am concerned that somewhere along the line his actions are going to result in his getting shot.
 

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I think that when anyone pushes the issue of the absurdity of our current hodgepodge of anti-2nd Amendment gun laws it will cause people on both sides of the issue to take notice.

There are people that tolerate gun laws as long as THEY find them to be acceptable, irregardless of how the law effects their neighbor. It is basically the same old story that you get when people are not worried about the government banning "armor piercing" rounds because they do not need them or understand that most standard rifle and hunting cartridges can penetrate many forms of "armor". Any law attempting to ban such rounds are going to have a bad effect on hunters but would not effect the non-hunter.

Does banning the painting of a firearm make anyone more safe? If everyone assumes that only toy firearms have painted tips, what stops the criminals from painting the tips of theirs orange? Nothing.

Most of the laws on the books were put there to force certain groups to disarm whether it was former slaves or the influx of Italian immigrants at the turn of the century. The laws were enforced against the group the "government" sought to disarm while not being enforced against the others.

While I think that kwikrnu's methods are unorthodox, they do bring to light the stupid laws that are on the books that can trip up even the most careful of lawful gun carriers that are doing nothing perhaps but walking down the street.

We should be working to change the absurd laws that currently exist that can make a criminal out of just about anyone exercising their right to carry a firearm.

As always, it is not the weapon that makes a crime occur, it is the criminal pulling the trigger. Laws should be limited to penalizing the actual results of criminal usage of a gun such as murder. Possession laws do nothing but disarm non-criminals.

I do not think that kwikrnu is going about this the proper way and can only hope that the bigger message of bad gun laws is what people take away from this and not the antics of one person.
 
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Thoughts on Embody

I've had dealings, on the forum here, with this dangerous and reckless individual in the past. He loves to tout his "Pro-2A" actions but has openly said that he's not Pro-2A for anyone else's Rights and that in fact he could care less about others Rights but his own. He's not a true 2nd Amendment activist as he likes to imagine himself, he's nothing more than a shill, an agent provocateur for the anti-carry hoardes! He has no real concern of the 2nd Amendment Right, just as long as he can "do his thing" he's happy even if it costs everyone else their Rights.

This joker coming to Kentucky is nothing short of VERY BAD NEWS! All we need is a reckless, careless, moronic, jackhole coming to our legislature and causing who knows what kind of damage to all that we've worked so very hard for! We've got the new OC law that went into effect this past year, we've got the Micheal Mitchell case that's still in the works and I'm quite sure that there's even more that's in the works as we speak. His visit is an ill-timed venture at best.

For those not aware of Embody's background, as far as his "weapon-toting" history. He started out sometime again carrying a .44, I believe it was a Desert Eagle, and he had painted the muzzle end a "safety orange" like all toy guns are coloured now. When asked why he did it, he replied something to the effect, "It makes the police have to stop and think twice if I'm carrying a real or toy gun"! That is simply reckless behaviour at best. Being that the .44 didn't really get him the attention that he so badly craved, he then moved on to openly carrying an AK-47 pistol around parks and now it's an AR pistol!

He's doing nothing except making all true law-abiding gun owner's look like reckless morons who could care less! This IS NOT the example I work so hard to promote when I go out OC'ing and trying to help educate my fellow Kentuckians!

I'm sure that there will be those that will come to his aid and defense and for those you that are of that mindset, you're more than welcomed to your opinions and thoughts, just like Embody is more than welcome to his ill-advised, pre-conceived thoughts on the matter but I, for one, DO care about not only MY Rights but the Rights of OTHERS!
 
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Why don't we all just get an EPO on this guy who cares only for himself, and one of us keep at the state capitol door every day, till he violates it. Drastic and stupid as it is, I seriously DO NOT want some selfish person who cares only about publicity and his own media stunts, ruining MY RIGHT to OC, causing TROUBLE with the media, damaging our good Kentucky image, and feeding the anti-2A trolls that inhabit Lexington, L-Ville and Frankfort.

If I have to, I'd drive plum up to frankfort and block his path; This guy seems to me, like micheal moore, someone who does something on purpose to make a scene of it, and get tougher laws passed. I feel he isn't doing this for the benefit of the 2A, but to increase restrictions and laws against the 2A.

I'm sorry to say this, but I'm going to be really peeved if I am forced to CC because of the stupidity of someone from TN.

Also, GTFO our forum, SC'ers, isn't it enough your basketball team pwns UK? :/
 

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You guys have a great, beautiful state and extraordinarily constitutional gun laws. You have open carry protected in your constitution and each year the gun laws get better and better.

I can't wait to get stationed back in Kentucky and am going to request it as my next post.



That being said. You DO NOT need someone like Kwikrthanstupid running around agitating people who are on your side.

I know alot of people from my time there that have no issue and support the open carry of handguns for the right reasons, but an attention-seeking and uninformed...individual is not needed to promote further liberty in this state.

I don't support people open carrying just because "its legal". I support people open carrying hand guns because I think it is the best method for people to defend themselves and it is their natural human right to be able to defend themselves.

If anything comes from this...individuals visit, it will not be pro-gun legislation.
 
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A few comments about this thread (and some others):

It seems that every thread about kwik winds up this same way, more of a ******* and arguing contest than anything else with no one making any real contribution to the discussion of what is going on

I have no idea what the point of kwik's actions in his little demonstrations are. I understand the occupy movement much better but there doesn't seem to be any real point to his actions other than to push buttons to the limit. Maybe he is just doing it for the publicity or to hopefully win a lawsuit and reap a monetary award from the gubmint.

The whole discussion about whether it is an assault rifle, pistol, plain pistol or whatever is getting old and since it has been hashed around at least 1,000 times a final result isn't going to happen.

The one thing that stood out to me more than anything else was when kwik painted the tip of his gun orange. That more than anything else made me think WTH is he thinking.

I don't know what he is trying to accomplish but in my opinion only kwik is either mentally unstable or obsessed to the point that he has become a danger to himself. While he is doing all this carrying and demonstrating I don't think he is a danger to anyone and the likelyhood of him actually using to gun to shoot anyone is close to zero. He does seem rather careless in his handling with all the different methods and I think he could make the same statements if he would carry without the guns being loaded. However I am concerned that somewhere along the line his actions are going to result in his getting shot.

Very well put. I think that this is the general sentiment of all of us that really care about our Rights and have been working hard to educate our fellow Kentuckians & Americans.
 

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Personally I hope that when he does come he gets no attention from the police. I think that the best medicine for this narcissist is to get little or no attention from his stunt. The only way he could "up the ante" and get more provocative would be to break the law.
 

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Personally I hope that when he does come he gets no attention from the police. I think that the best medicine for this narcissist is to get little or no attention from his stunt. The only way he could "up the ante" and get more provocative would be to break the law.

I do believe that this is the exact point he is trying to get across.... If no laws are broken why should the police or anyone else for that matter, look at him twice?

How can acting in a legal manner be provocative ? To me, It cant be and should never be considered that way.

Our Country was founded by a bunch of rugged, free minded individuals who vehemently believed in freedom, I wonder how they would view this Gentleman (Kwik)
 

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Why don't we all just get an EPO on this guy who cares only for himself, and one of us keep at the state capitol door every day, till he violates it. Drastic and stupid as it is, I seriously DO NOT want some selfish person who cares only about publicity and his own media stunts, ruining MY RIGHT to OC, causing TROUBLE with the media, damaging our good Kentucky image, and feeding the anti-2A trolls that inhabit Lexington, L-Ville and Frankfort.

If I have to, I'd drive plum up to frankfort and block his path; This guy seems to me, like micheal moore, someone who does something on purpose to make a scene of it, and get tougher laws passed. I feel he isn't doing this for the benefit of the 2A, but to increase restrictions and laws against the 2A.

I'm sorry to say this, but I'm going to be really peeved if I am forced to CC because of the stupidity of someone from TN.

Also, GTFO our forum, SC'ers, isn't it enough your basketball team pwns UK? :/


Unfortunately, you cannot get an EPO on someone who is of no relations to you or who has not been involved in a relationship with.

As far as the SC pwning UK's basketball team.. huh? We OWN SOUTH CAROLINA!
 
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keltec

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I've had dealings, on the forum here, with this dangerous and reckless individual in the past. He loves to tout his "Pro-2A" actions but has openly said that he's not Pro-2A for anyone else's Rights and that in fact he could care less about others Rights but his own. He's not a true 2nd Amendment activist as he likes to imagine himself, he's nothing more than a shill, an agent provocateur for the anti-carry hoardes! He has no real concern of the 2nd Amendment Right, just as long as he can "do his thing" he's happy even if it costs everyone else their Rights.

This joker coming to Kentucky is nothing short of VERY BAD NEWS! All we need is a reckless, careless, moronic, jackhole coming to our legislature and causing who knows what kind of damage to all that we've worked so very hard for! We've got the new OC law that went into effect this past year, we've got the Micheal Mitchell case that's still in the works and I'm quite sure that there's even more that's in the works as we speak. His visit is an ill-timed venture at best.

For those not aware of Embody's background, as far as his "weapon-toting" history. He started out sometime again carrying a .44, I believe it was a Desert Eagle, and he had painted the muzzle end a "safety orange" like all toy guns are coloured now. When asked why he did it, he replied something to the effect, "It makes the police have to stop and think twice if I'm carrying a real or toy gun"! That is simply reckless behaviour at best. Being that the .44 didn't really get him the attention that he so badly craved, he then moved on to openly carrying an AK-47 pistol around parks and now it's an AR pistol!

He's doing nothing except making all true law-abiding gun owner's look like reckless morons who could care less! This IS NOT the example I work so hard to promote when I go out OC'ing and trying to help educate my fellow Kentuckians!

I'm sure that there will be those that will come to his aid and defense and for those you that are of that mindset, you're more than welcomed to your opinions and thoughts, just like Embody is more than welcome to his ill-advised, pre-conceived thoughts on the matter but I, for one, DO care about not only MY Rights but the Rights of OTHERS!


Exactly. The only point this guy is trying to prove is how dangerous and alarming one individual can become before the police finally put a stop to it. I don't know if any of you read those news articles, but the state of Tennessee revoked his license. He's already lost his privilege to carry his pistol concealed. Don't you think that's dangerous enough?

What if this guy snaps because of what his state done to him? You never know.. Don't Trust Anyone!
 

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Kwikrnu in Links and Images

For those not aware of this guys "history" here's some info:

This is one of his imfamous "Orange Barrel AK Pistol's": http://s145.photobucket.com/albums/r226/kwikrnu/?action=view&current=masayoobdracoorange.jpg

Some background on Mr. Embody:

http://lonelymachines.org/2009/12/27/is-this-where-its-going/
http://lonelymachines.org/tag/kwikrnu/
http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/general-off-topic/8713-kwikrnu-banned-puppy-forum.html

And last but not least:

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...rks-draws-ire-from-open-carry-advocates/page2

(Check out post # 38)

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...kwikrnu-paint-the-tip-of-his-AK-pistol-orange

And the thread that I was apart of, starting with post # 35:

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...e-Unconstitutionality-of-TCA-39-17-1307/page2

For the record, Combat Handguns DID NOT retract any part of Mr. Ayoob's story!
 
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