utbagpiper
Banned
So what. There is no way to catch such a crime without violating the 4th.
In many cases there are perfectly acceptable ways to gain probable cause of such a crime without violating any constitutional rights at all.
To be clear right up front, I oppose checkpoints and roadblocks as both violations of constitutional rights and wasteful of limited resources. I think dangerous drivers are much more likely to be caught if officers are out patrolling, watching how drivers are operating their vehicles when they are not approaching a roadblock.
So, how to gain probable cause without a roadblock? Watch drivers. Weaving in lanes, making excessively wide and slow turns, and other signs of impaired driving can be observed without ever violating a person's rights. A non-anonymous tip or complaint about a drunk person getting into a car and driving can also alert authorities about commission of the crime of DUI.
There are many draconian no-victim crimes.
There are some, but far fewer than some would like to think. Externalities, by definition, affect others.
The whole issue is driven (heh heh heh) by propaganda. Propaganda machine stirs up righteous indignation. The sheep bleat. The government uses it to shat all over our rights in order to cash in and increase control.
Ah yes. The evil government. Because having a loved one killed by some self-absorbed jackwagon who cares more for his own recreatinal access to a mind altering drug (or making the next facebook post or tweet) than he does for the life and limb of those around him is so much less offensive.
I'm just old enough to remember watching old TV shows and movies where, "Gee, I didn't mean to crash. I guess I just had one too many to drink...." was a mitigating rather than aggravating factor. I have a sibling who will endure pain for the rest of his life because of a drunk driver. I routinely endure longer than necessary commutes because too many drivers can't seem to focus on driving but have to dick around with their phones during rush hour.
A 2,000 to 4,000+ pound automobile moving at 20 to 80 mph is not a toy. It is more deadly than a firearm. In fact, if we eliminate suicidal use of guns, more people die each year in this nation due to car crashes than do from bullets.
How many of those hypocrites admit to driving drowsy? A condition proven to be as dangerous as dui. (http://www.sleepdr.com/blog/driving-drowsy-vs-driving-drunk)
Anytime I see someone claim that this or that is "as dangerous as DUI" my BS meter goes off. In too many cases, these statements are made by someone trying to diminish the dangers posed by drunk drivers. Or, they are said ignorantly by those who have no idea the difference between 0.07% and 0.20% BAC. Sadly, at least one of these seems to be at play here. DUI accounts for about 1/2 of all automobile related fatalities. Meanwhile, from your linked article:
In European countries with more uniform records, drowsy driving accounts for 10 to 30% of all crashes.
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Furthermore, an Australian study correlated sleep deprivation with blood alcohol content (BAC) in terms of how likely they were to result in a collision. Staying awake for 18 hours corresponds to a BAC of .05; maintaining wakefulness for a full 24 hours equates to a BAC of .10, which is over the legal limit of .08.
So even at 18 hours of being awake, a person is still no more likely to crash than is a drinker who is still below the legal limit. Somewhere between 18 and 24 hours is where a person would cross the DUI threshold. That ain't "drowsy" that is flat out sleep deprived and no shock that is dangerous.
Ditto when it comes to talking on a hands free cell phone. That puts a person at about the same risk factor as being just barely 0.08% BAC.
Now, texting or otherwise reading a smart phone?
That all said, a person chatting on a phone can, presumably, end the call when traffic conditions change. A drunk cannot decide to be less drunk when his quiet drive home gets more difficult for some reason.
Point is, as we come to recognize the risks to safe driving, those who willfully place the public at danger should be properly punished. I don't care whether it is DUI (alcohol or other drugs, OTC, Rx, or illicit), excessive drowsiness, texting or talking on a cell phone, or just lacking basic driving skills (get out of the right lane for heaven's sake and let faster traffic pass safely).
I would agree it's irresponsible to dui or drive drowsy but I strenuously disagree with violating rights in order to catch people in the act.
I join you in opposing roadblocks.
But I'm afraid in your zeal against roadblocks, you've gone too far in diminishing the crime of DUI or other needlessly risky driving behaviors. It isn't merely "irresponsible", it is grossly negligent, selfish, self-centered, anti-social, and criminal to drive drunk or otherwise impaired. I'd bet that randomly discharging a gun into the air in an urban area is less risky to innocent life and limb than is driving drunk or texting while driving. And nobody here would ever defend randomly discharging a gun into the air in an urban area as merely "irresponsible". I'll happily vote for a long prison stay for anyone who runs around randomly discharging guns. I'll do the same for anyone who drives impaired. And I hope the jackwagon is caught before he destroys an innocent life or five.
Charles