another phily story on OC they are going to check you papers

[OldCurlyWolf]

Perhaps the example given in the oral traditions of the Pueblo Indians is our only hope...

And which tribe of pueblo Indians would that be?

 

[Dreamer]

And which tribe of pueblo Indians would that be?

The "Ancestral Pueblo" who originally inhabited Chaco Canyon...

After their society became a sociopathic tyranny where the leaders controlled all trade, food, and religion, and were actively engaged in human sacrifice and cannibalism, they disbanded their society, left the area and vowed never to have another society where they allowed individuals to have "power over other people"...

 

[OldCurlyWolf]

The "Ancestral Pueblo" who originally inhabited Chaco Canyon...

After their society became a sociopathic tyranny where the leaders controlled all trade, food, and religion, and were actively engaged in human sacrifice and cannibalism, they disbanded their society, left the area and vowed never to have another society where they allowed individuals to have "power over other people"...

That is an OLD long gone tribe. Other tribes have also been called Pueblo Indians, among them is the Anasazi, another Old Long gone tribe.

BTW, as a semi related tidbit of information. Did you know that the names that all NA tribes called themselves translates literally to "The People" and that their words for stranger and enemy are the same words in each tribal language?

 

[sudden valley gunner]

BTW, as a semi related tidbit of information. Did you know that the names that all NA tribes called themselves translates literally to "The People" and that their words for stranger and enemy are the same words in each tribal language?

To be more precise in native syntax the words are inclusive of a group so more properly translated to "We The People"......Hmmmm sound familiar? :lol:

 

[MKEgal]

Making "changes from up top"??
The flawed premise is that authority derives from "up top."

Authority derives from the people who elect their representatives.
Those rep's make laws & policies.
By getting elected, and if someone clearly & honestly states her/his position on topics, s/he has been told by the people who put her/him in office that they want those policies.
If I were elected mayor, for example, I'd (reasonably) believe that the people who elected me wanted less gov't, lower taxes, & more of their rights respected. And that's what I'd try to do with policies I made.

simply saying keep yer silly heads cool in these situations, and try to reduce the tension.

Mark kept his cool & did try to reduce the tension.
The cops were the problem.

I think it should be mandatory- that all males over the age of 18 in the US should carry or be in close access to a firearm AT ALL TIMES.

And that shows your bias.
I want all law-abiding adults who can safely handle a firearm to be able to defend themselves.
Women even more than men, since they're usually smaller & weaker. (Anyone who's met me knows I'm an outlier.)

But I'm not going to tell everyone they have to obtain a firearm.
I think mandatory self-protection laws are wrong.
Now if an insurance co wants to deny coverage for injuries & conditions that could reasonably be prevented, that's their private contract with their insureds.

And I see a differerence between saying "you have to wear something to keep wind & bugs & grit out of your eyes so you can see to safely operate your motorcycle & not hit other people"
and saying "you have to wear a helmet to protect yourself if you crash".
(I won't ride without a helmet anyway, but having the gov't tell me I must rankles.)

 

[Dreamer]

That is an OLD long gone tribe. Other tribes have also been called Pueblo Indians, among them is the Anasazi, another Old Long gone tribe.

Actually, the name "Anasazi" isn't used by the Pueblo or anyone in academia anymore. It literally means "Ancient Enemies", and was the name that their neighboring Navajo tribes used to describe the Ancestral Pueblo of the Chaco Canyon region.

The only people who use "Anasazi" anymore are NewAge authors, the decendents of the Navajo, and UFO/ancient astronaut buffs...

Calling the Ancestral Pueblo "Anasazi" is essentially the same as a modern Frenchman calling a German a "Hun". It is disrespectful, historically incorrect, and was based in pure tribal propaganda...

I know it's easier to write "Anasazi", and more people probably know what you mean when you use that word, but it's an insulting term to the Ancestral Pueblo, and is, from an academic view, an inaccurate name. It's what the enemies of those people called them--not what they called themselves, and it wasn't a flattering name...

BTW, as a semi related tidbit of information. Did you know that the names that all NA tribes called themselves translates literally to "The People" and that their words for stranger and enemy are the same words in each tribal language?

Yes, that is one of the MANY interesting things about NA linguistics. NA languages are VERY lyrical and full of idioms and metaphors--much like Irish Gaelic...

 

[since9]

Actually, the name "Anasazi" isn't used by the Pueblo or anyone in academia anymore. It literally means "Ancient Enemies", and was the name that their neighboring Navajo tribes used to describe the Ancestral Pueblo of the Chaco Canyon region.

The only people who use "Anasazi" anymore are NewAge authors, the decendents of the Navajo, and UFO/ancient astronaut buffs...

Calling the Ancestral Pueblo "Anasazi" is essentially the same as a modern Frenchman calling a German a "Hun". It is disrespectful, historically incorrect, and was based in pure tribal propaganda...

I know it's easier to write "Anasazi", and more people probably know what you mean when you use that word, but it's an insulting term to the Ancestral Pueblo, and is, from an academic view, an inaccurate name. It's what the enemies of those people called them--not what they called themselves, and it wasn't a flattering name...

Yes, that is one of the MANY interesting things about NA linguistics. NA languages are VERY lyrical and full of idioms and metaphors--much like Irish Gaelic...

I did not know that, Dreamer - thank you for that. :lol: I've hiked, camped, and rafted much of their land. I've taken tons of pics of what they hacked into the rock. I say that as it's more accurate than anything else.

Beautiful area.

 

[OldCurlyWolf]

Dreamer,

I have studied very little on the southwest tribes and the west coast tribes and what I did was some years past. Most of my concentration, sporadic at best, has been the plains tribes and some of the eastern tribes.

Family lore has Comanche and Kiowa interwoven in the family tree. Physically it shows up in about 1/4 of the family to some degree. My father and one of his uncles were prime examples.

Mine are much more subtle, cheekbones, eye shape, walking, etc..