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Ammunition serialization bill (HB 3359)

Bear 45/70

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heresolong wrote:
joeroket wrote:
Not really. It says "kept or offered for sale". Meaning either kept for sale or offered for sale. It does not mean "kept, or offered for sale." You are bolding single words not the entire portion that the word belongs to. If we all did that we could make RCW's say anything we wanted them to say.

I will concede the reloading portion as I did not read well enough.
Yeah, you're right. I should have caught that. I am the wording guy. On the other hand, just like drugs, if you have over a certain amount they assume that you have it for sale not for personal use. I could see them arguing that 10,000 rounds was far more than any one person could use and therefore you must be keeping it to sell on the black market.
I and 6 buddies reload for our 45/70s with 405 grain bullets and yes I have a Contender Super 14 pistol in 45/70 and we buy 10,000 rounds at a shot, because we save almost 50% over buying bullets 500 to 1000 at a time. And yes we shoot a lot as we all have several to half a dozen 45/70s each.
 

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These legislators are out of control. 50% of the bills I read about in the paper are a total joke. They seem to want to micromanage the citizenry to the nth degree or just pass bills to say they passed something. There needs to be a rule that any bill must first pass the "AYFKM" ("are you f**king kidding me?) test. No more bills designating the official state cruciferous vegetable, or crap like SB 6309 which would require new motor vehicles sold in the state to display the vehicle's "greenhouse gas tailpipe emissions" rating. Check out http://www.washingtonvotes.com You won't know whether to laugh or cry at some of this garbage.
 

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spike89 wrote:
These legislators are out of control. 50% of the bills I read about in the paper are a total joke. They seem to want to micromanage the citizenry to the nth degree or just pass bills to say they passed something. There needs to be a rule that any bill must first pass the "AYFKM" ("are you f**king kidding me?) test. No more bills designating the official state cruciferous vegetable, or crap like SB 6309 which would require new motor vehicles sold in the state to display the vehicle's "greenhouse gas tailpipe emissions" rating. Check out http://www.washingtonvotes.com You won't know whether to laugh or cry at some of this garbage.

It's too sad for laughter.

What bothers me the most is the apathy of the general public. As as "Their" lifestyle isn't hampered, no big deal. Their attitude is "go ahead and outlaw large vehicles. I don't have to drive one to haul my tools or trade materials so it doesn't bother me." "Go ahead and outlaw guns", I don't own any". "Go ahead and raise Bill Gate's taxes as well as all the taxes on Microsoft, Boeing, etc., they can afford them. (It doesn't matter if they send all their money and jobs offshore and stop hiring people here)".

The disease that is more rampant than AID's is CRI (Cranial Rectal Inversion). The average "voter" has his head so far up his A$$ they don't have a clue. It's time they all had a crash course in History. Either learn it (history) or be doomed to repeat it. This is how all the infamous dictators and despots of the past got to power. Apathy.
 

joeroket

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heresolong wrote:
joeroket wrote:
Not really. It says "kept or offered for sale". Meaning either kept for sale or offered for sale. It does not mean "kept, or offered for sale." You are bolding single words not the entire portion that the word belongs to. If we all did that we could make RCW's say anything we wanted them to say.

I will concede the reloading portion as I did not read well enough.
Yeah, you're right. I should have caught that. I am the wording guy. On the other hand, just like drugs, if you have over a certain amount they assume that you have it for sale not for personal use. I could see them arguing that 10,000 rounds was far more than any one person could use and therefore you must be keeping it to sell on the black market.
HAHA Yea I could see some asshat prosecutor trying to use that.
 

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just_a_car wrote:
Trigger Dr wrote:
TechnoWeenie wrote: Just in case you did not know the Taurus 45 / 410 shoots both 45 long colt and 410 shot shells. So does the TC encore and Contender in their handgun configuration.

Hell, there's a pistol out there for just about any caliber: .308Win, 7.62x39, .223 Rem , .458 SOCOM, .50 BMG, 12ga, etc...

By doing this to "Pistol ammunition", they're touching pretty much 90% of rifle ammo, too.


Edit: See what I mean?: http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/airborne_combat_engineer/2005/01/the_maadi_griff.html
http://www.tromix.com/Projects_o_Tromix.htm (the .458 Encore)
http://www.teelgun.com/shotgun%20pistol.htm
They define what pistol ammo is. .308, 7.62's, .223, and shotgun shells hardly qualify under this definition because it is not principally used for pistols. They are principally used for rifles.

(19) "Pistol ammunition" means all ammunition principally for use
in pistols
, notwithstanding that the ammunition may also be used in
other firearms, including bullets used for reloading or handloading
pistol ammunition.
 

just_a_car

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joeroket wrote:
just_a_car wrote:
Hell, there's a pistol out there for just about any caliber: .308Win, 7.62x39, .223 Rem , .458 SOCOM, .50 BMG, 12ga, etc...

By doing this to "Pistol ammunition", they're touching pretty much 90% of rifle ammo, too.


Edit: See what I mean?: http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/airborne_combat_engineer/2005/01/the_maadi_griff.html
http://www.tromix.com/Projects_o_Tromix.htm
(the .458 Encore)
http://www.teelgun.com/shotgun%20pistol.htm
They define what pistol ammo is. .308, 7.62's, .223, and shotgun shells hardly qualify under this definition because it is not principally used for pistols. They are principally used for rifles.

(19) "Pistol ammunition" means all ammunition principally for use
in pistols
, notwithstanding that the ammunition may also be used in
other firearms, including bullets used for reloading or handloading
pistol ammunition.
Yes, but do you really want the kind of people that would draft this crap defining what "principle use" is?...
 

John Henry

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amlevin wrote:
It's too sad for laughter.

What bothers me the most is the apathy of the general public. As as "Their" lifestyle isn't hampered, no big deal. Their attitude is "go ahead and outlaw large vehicles. I don't have to drive one to haul my tools or trade materials so it doesn't bother me." "Go ahead and outlaw guns", I don't own any". "Go ahead and raise Bill Gate's taxes as well as all the taxes on Microsoft, Boeing, etc., they can afford them. (It doesn't matter if they send all their money and jobs offshore and stop hiring people here)".

The disease that is more rampant than AID's is CRI (Cranial Rectal Inversion). The average "voter" has his head so far up his A$$ they don't have a clue. It's time they all had a crash course in History. Either learn it (history) or be doomed to repeat it. This is how all the infamous dictators and despots of the past got to power. Apathy.
I can't agree with you more. It's ignorance and selfishness.
 

Bear 45/70

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John Henry wrote:
amlevin wrote:
It's too sad for laughter.

What bothers me the most is the apathy of the general public. As as "Their" lifestyle isn't hampered, no big deal. Their attitude is "go ahead and outlaw large vehicles. I don't have to drive one to haul my tools or trade materials so it doesn't bother me." "Go ahead and outlaw guns", I don't own any". "Go ahead and raise Bill Gate's taxes as well as all the taxes on Microsoft, Boeing, etc., they can afford them. (It doesn't matter if they send all their money and jobs offshore and stop hiring people here)".

The disease that is more rampant than AID's is CRI (Cranial Rectal Inversion). The average "voter" has his head so far up his A$$ they don't have a clue. It's time they all had a crash course in History. Either learn it (history) or be doomed to repeat it. This is how all the infamous dictators and despots of the past got to power. Apathy.
I can't agree with you more. It's ignorance and selfishness.
It's the governmant way. Create an agency to oversee or control something, put a complete moron in charge who knows nothing about the subject, who hires a bunch of othermorons who also know nothing about the subject to run the operation and the government is surprised when it doesn't work. Gee, what a surprise.
 

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amlevin wrote:
spike89 wrote:
These legislators are out of control. 50% of the bills I read about in the paper are a total joke. They seem to want to micromanage the citizenry to the nth degree or just pass bills to say they passed something. There needs to be a rule that any bill must first pass the "AYFKM" ("are you f**king kidding me?) test. No more bills designating the official state cruciferous vegetable, or crap like SB 6309 which would require new motor vehicles sold in the state to display the vehicle's "greenhouse gas tailpipe emissions" rating. Check out http://www.washingtonvotes.com You won't know whether to laugh or cry at some of this garbage.

It's too sad for laughter.

What bothers me the most is the apathy of the general public. As as "Their" lifestyle isn't hampered, no big deal. Their attitude is "go ahead and outlaw large vehicles. I don't have to drive one to haul my tools or trade materials so it doesn't bother me." "Go ahead and outlaw guns", I don't own any". "Go ahead and raise Bill Gate's taxes as well as all the taxes on Microsoft, Boeing, etc., they can afford them. (It doesn't matter if they send all their money and jobs offshore and stop hiring people here)".

The disease that is more rampant than AID's is CRI (Cranial Rectal Inversion). The average "voter" has his head so far up his A$$ they don't have a clue. It's time they all had a crash course in History. Either learn it (history) or be doomed to repeat it. This is how all the infamous dictators and despots of the past got to power. Apathy.
Sorry this is so long, but it's really fantastic....



THE HANGMAN

By Maurice Ogden

Into our town the hangman came,
smelling of gold and blood and flame.
He paced our bricks with a different air,
and built his frame on the courthouse square.

The scaffold stood by the courthouse side,
only as wide as the door was wide
with a frame as tall, or a little more,
than the capping sill of the courthouse door.

And we wondered whenever we had the time,
Who the criminal? What the crime?
The hangman judged with the yellow twist
of knotted hemp in his busy fist.

And innocent though we were with dread,
we passed those eyes of buckshot lead.
Till one cried, "Hangman, who is he,
for whom you raised the gallows-tree?"

Then a twinkle grew in his buckshot eye
and he gave a riddle instead of reply.
"He who serves me best," said he
"Shall earn the rope on the gallows-tree."

And he stepped down and laid his hand
on a man who came from another land.
And we breathed again, for anothers grief
at the hangmans hand, was our relief.

And the gallows frame on the courthouse lawn
by tomorrow's sun would be struck and gone.
So we gave him way and no one spoke
out of respect for his hangmans cloak.

The next day's sun looked mildly down
on roof and street in our quiet town;
and stark and black in the morning air
the gallows-tree on the courthouse square.

And the hangman stood at his usual stand
with the yellow hemp in his busy hand.
With his buckshot eye and his jaw like a pike,
and his air so knowing and business-like.

And we cried, "Hangman, have you not done,
yesterday with the alien one?"
Then we fell silent and stood amazed.
"Oh, not for him was the gallows raised."

He laughed a laugh as he looked at us,
"Do you think I've gone to all this fuss,
To hang one man? That's the thing I do.
To stretch the rope when the rope is new."

Above our silence a voice cried "Shame!"
and into our midst the hangman came;
to that mans place, "Do you hold," said he,
"With him that was meat for the gallows-tree?"

He laid his hand on that one's arm
and we shrank back in quick alarm.
We gave him way, and no one spoke,
out of fear of the hangmans cloak.

That night we saw with dread surprise
the hangmans scaffold had grown in size.
Fed by the blood beneath the chute,
the gallows-tree had taken root.

Now as wide, or a little more
than the steps that led to the courthouse door.
As tall as the writing, or nearly as tall,
half way up on the courthouse wall.

The third he took, we had all heard tell,
was a usurer..., an infidel.
And "What" said the hangman, "Have you to do
with the gallows-bound..., and he a Jew?"

And we cried out, "Is this one he
who has served you well and faithfully?"
The hangman smiled, "It's a clever scheme
to try the strength of the gallows beam."

The fourth man's dark accusing song
had scratched our comfort hard and long.
"And what concern," he gave us back,
"Have you ... for the doomed and black?"

The fifth, the sixth, and we cried again,
"Hangman, hangman, is this the man?"
"It's a trick", said he, "that we hangman know
for easing the trap when the trap springs slow."

And so we ceased and asked now more
as the hangman tallied his bloody score.
And sun by sun, and night by night
the gallows grew to monstrous height.

The wings of the scaffold opened wide
until they covered the square from side to side.
And the monster cross beam looking down,
cast its shadow across the town.

Then through the town the hangman came
and called through the empy streets...my name.
I looked at the gallows soaring tall
and thought ... there's no one left at all

for hanging ... and so he called to me
to help take down the gallows-tree.
And I went out with right good hope
to the hangmans tree and the hangmans rope.

He smiled at me as I came down
to the courthouse square...through the silent town.
Supple and stretched in his busy hand,
was the yellow twist of hempen strand.

He whistled his tune as he tried the trap
and it sprang down with a ready snap.
Then with a smile of awful command,
He laid his hand upon my hand.

"You tricked me Hangman." I shouted then,
"That your scaffold was built for other men,
and I'm no henchman of yours." I cried.
"You lied to me Hangman, foully lied."

Then a twinkle grew in his buckshot eye,
"Lied to you...tricked you?" He said "Not I...
for I answered straight and told you true.
The scaffold was raised for none but you."

"For who has served more faithfully?
With your coward's hope." said He,
"And where are the others that might have stood
side by your side, in the common good?"

"Dead!" I answered, and amiably
"Murdered," the Hangman corrected me.
"First the alien ... then the Jew.
I did no more than you let me do."

Beneath the beam that blocked the sky
none before stood so alone as I.
The Hangman then strapped me...with no voice there
to cry "Stay!" ... for me in the empty square.
 

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Bear 45/70 wrote:
It's the governmant way. Create an agency to oversee or control something, put a complete moron in charge who knows nothing about the subject, who hires a bunch of othermorons who also know nothing about the subject to run the operation and the government is surprised when it doesn't work. Gee, what a surprise.
Bear, they aren't surprised at all. They know why it doesn't work. We didn't fund the project sufficiently. If only we give them more money they'll have it working in no time at all.
 

Bear 45/70

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heresolong wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
It's the governmant way. Create an agency to oversee or control something, put a complete moron in charge who knows nothing about the subject, who hires a bunch of othermorons who also know nothing about the subject to run the operation and the government is surprised when it doesn't work. Gee, what a surprise.
Bear, they aren't surprised at all. They know why it doesn't work. We didn't fund the project sufficiently. If only we give them more money they'll have it working in no time at all.
And the lie continues as goverment grows and cost even more and does less and less of what they are suppose to and more and more of what they are not..
 

sv_libertarian

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Maybe we can get a government program to find and root out incapable government programs:p With any kind of luck then everything would cancel each other out.

Personally I think government should have to meet in winter, in unheated buildings, at night with candles for lighting. And only for 3 days. How much damage could they do then? Especially if we only give them two hours per day to work with, and that includes a mandatory reading out loud of the constitution each day. :D
 

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It is mind boggling to me but somehow when an individual is elected to public office all of the suddenthey instantly become smarter that those who they are supposed to represent.

Government is no longer for the people by the people, but rather for the politician by whom ever gives them the most money. It's a special interest government. Does anyone know a politician that is poor? or lives pay check to pay check?

I'll bet that if we all had big bucks to donate to these morons campaign's you would not see stupid bill like this.
 

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John Hardin

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XD45PlusP wrote:
This Bill is DEAD
Don't count on it. It was submitted too late to be considered in this legislative session, but it will still be on the slate for next year's session. While this monster is sleeping in its coffin, let's be sharpening our stakes.
 

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Well, according to their site, only five people ACTUALLY support it.
 
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