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Exactly ,might work.You watch how the liberal media will portray us.I have been to 2 Tea Party rallys and it was actuall a fun family atmosphere kids the whole thing.We were and still are portrayed as dangerous rt wing radicals.



High time we turn this over to the....







MINISTRY FOR SILLY WALKS
 
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The attack on Britains holding guns for self defence was started in 1909 with the pistols act.

It still allowed a single pistol for homeowners to defend themselves and property but they had to get a permit.

A 1920 Act ended the permits requiring those with "good reason" to get certificates

Its a long term agenda for our Labour party to gain absolute control over the population. Labour has their roots in communism, their anthem is "keep the red flag flying high".

In 1946 the Labour Home Secretary Dr Chuter Ededeclared that firearm certificates would not be issued for self defence, its not written that we cant have them by law, just Home Office policy.

It's been a regular long term cut after cut, our downfall was that our organisations are fragmenting us, divided we are weak.

One thing I envy Americans is your NRA, as long as that stays strong your shooting should survive. Can I say "join the NRA" on here or would that be advertising?
 
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That is what our democrats are trying to do now.Some don't even hide the fact they are socialist or even communists.I assure you Obama is not the god king everyone wants to see him as.He is giving us away lock stock and barrel. That is why they try to push thier socialist bills through the house and senate so fast without even reading them.That is their plan as well, to control all aspects of our lives but it seems that darn Constitution keeps getting in their way.They will even say they will do it gradually.They have to first disarm the people.Using theterm of common sense gun laws is how they try to sell it.

I heard a statistic on CNN a while back stating that the average American citizen owns almost approx 60 to65% of all the guns on the planet.So good luck with the disarmament thing.I have talked to police and military who say the mood is that they would never obey any order to disarm the American people. Some even try the ploy of saying our Constitution is outdated and we should create aq new one modelled on European countries .God help them if they try that .Fortuately we still have many in this country that hold to our Constitution and will protect it.
 
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Smokeless Coal wrote:
The attack on Britains holding guns for self defence was started in 1909 with the pistols act.

It still allowed a single pistol for homeowners to defend themselves and property but they had to get a permit.

A 1920 Act ended the permits requiring those with "good reason" to get certificates

Its a long term agenda for our Labour party to gain absolute control over the population. Labour has their roots in communism, their anthem is "keep the red flag flying high".

In 1946 the Labour Home Secretary Dr Chuter Ededeclared that firearm certificates would not be issued for self defence, its not written that we cant have them by law, just Home Office policy.

It's been a regular long term cut after cut, our downfall was that our organisations are fragmenting us, divided we are weak.

One thing I envy Americans is your NRA, as long as that stays strong your shooting should survive. Can I say "join the NRA" on here or would that be advertising?
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What you might want to do is start a pro-gun activist organization of your own, in Great Brittain. You could model it after the NRA if you like.

Another thing you can do is share and circulate this handy document that rebuffs the myths of gun control with gun facts. It's a PDF file you can download and print out.

http://www.gunfacts.info
 
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Thanks TF

I've been campaigning for years for an end to the ban on pistols for sport with the forum http://www.glossover.co.uk/rts/forum/

As a range officer and target shooter this is my main topic. There is only about 125,000 live firing target shooters in the UK out of a population of 66mil. 300,000 shotgunners shooting clays and vermin, 125,000 live firing hunters, 800,000 serious airgunners shooting targets and vermin (official estimates are 6mil airguns but not licenced so they dont know).

So you can see how our level of support is low and they all have their own organising bodies.

The percentage of people who would like the tools to defend themselves is much higher, its been mans instinct since creation to defend himself.

Your 2A is based on our Bill of Rights which we would like respected. Unfortunatly we dont have the numbers or finance to run an equivialent to Columbia v Heller.
 
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I think that you may want to inform other UK citizens about other European countries that allow its citizens to own firearms.

There seems to be some animosity in the mind of many Brits about America and its gun culture.

Switzerland, Finland, Czechoslovakia, Italy and even France currently allows its citizens to own handguns AND military rifles like we have here in the USA.

And as you may know, the violent crime rate against law abiding citizens is MUCH lower than the UK.

I would also drive the point that Police are NOT responsible for a citizens safety. The primary job of Police is enforcing laws, not protecting the civilian population. Now, if a cop saw a person getting mugged or beaten out in public, yes they would stop. But thats extremely rare for an officer to be right at the scene when a violent attack is happening. Many police departments on the side of they're patrol cars have painted on "To Protect 7 Serve", but that is only a motto, not rule of law.

My roommate is actually from Wales and when I first moved in , he acted as though my firearms were going to give him the plague.
After some respectful discussions and taking him shooting, his mind and attitude towards firearm ownership changed.

Unfortunately, the rabid British press has always been VERY negative abotu firearm ownership. Its time that they be educated and help accountable.
 
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There is a great deal of "unthinking animosity" towards firearms.

In many circles, mention guns and you will get such a negative reaction...as if you had called someone a "nigger" or "white trash".

Education is difficult, too...the MSM sets the agenda and if you mention guns, the door is shut in your face.

However, all is not lost. There is a political party which has guns in its manifesto...along with the adoption of a Swiss-type militia.

I'll give you a link later.
 
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David Turner wrote:
However, all is not lost. There is a political party which has guns in its manifesto...along with the adoption of a Swiss-type militia.
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Is that party called the BNP by chance?

Also, what the people of the UK have to realize is that for the past few decades, violent criminals have been illegally smuggling guns into the UK.

In 15-20 years there is going to be some major problems when almost all criminals are armed, and the law abiding UK citizens have absolutely nothing to defend themselves and homes form these criminals.

My father was born and raised in Dumfries in the west marches of southern Scotland. I would like to go and work there for a year or two after I finish my degree.

But I would feel very strange working/living in a country where I cannot own firearms.
 
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Well we stand together now.It seems you Brits have to to help our butts out of trouble.Everytime we get it to with someone it seens the Royale Marines Navy and army areright there in the dirt with the rest of us.From this old soldier I can tell you I appreciate it.I have fought with Brits and Aussies in Vietnam.(many don't realize you all were there as well).In that regard ...WELL DONE.

Anyway now we have to figure out how to get your rights back!!!!
 
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Thank you Sir. My great grandfather was a Marine (Royal :D), he served at galliploli during ww1. We were very poor at the time and he died at 48, couldn't afford to get insulin !! Thats how much our government cared.

I know I'm probably whistling in the wind for MY right to OC in this country, but maybe my children will see" the right" realised. If not, I'd advise them to cross the pond:cool:

best wishes to you and yours Marcus
 
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I am sure when you all start gathering together and say enough!!! that will be the case..
 
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Actually it was one of the people, a 'law-abiding' responsible' gun club member who was to blame for Dunblane, not a drug gang hitman.



"And as you may know, the violent crime rate against law abiding citizens is MUCH lower than the UK." But your homicide rate is 3 times that of the UK!
 
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