utbagpiper
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In hopes this site isn't completely dead yet, I'm going to post here in the Utah sub-forum, the first few gun related bills for which language is available on the Utah legislative website. If moderators allow non-Utah xxxxx to derail or shut down constructive discussion of these bills, among those of us who are directly affected by them and by others with useful insights to offer, I will forebear wasting my time with similar posts in the future and will instead move my discussion of such issues exclusively to UCCC. I believe there is great value to getting national perspectives on what we are doing. I'm not all interested in wasting my time to drive up ad revenue for a private xxxx xxx xxxchat group or to be the target of xxx and xxxxx with no constructive hobbies.
With that:
Rep. Lee Perry is the sponsor for HB 112, "Firearm Amendments", or as we know it, permit-free carry or constitutional carry.
Language for this bill is available at the Legislative website at http://le.utah.gov/~2017/bills/static/HB0112.html
This bill does two primary things:
1-For those 21 years of age and older, removes the prohibition on carrying a "Utah-unloaded" firearm concealed without a permit.
It allows a gun to be carried concealed without a permit, under the same conditions that it may be OC'd without a permit.
2-Extends criminal and civil liability protection to any business owner who allows a person with a permit, to carry into that business.
It does not change off-limits locations including locations where one needs a permit to legally carry (school zones including, under Utah's GFSZ law, colleges). Obviously, the bill has no effect on the federal GFSZ with its 1000' exclusion zone around all K-12 schools except for those with a permit from the State in which the school is located. It does not change the conditions under which you can use a gun. It does not change the conditions for obtaining a permit.
If passed, this would be a rather small, but I believe crucial step, toward greater statutory recognition of our Rights to keep and bear arms as protected and guaranteed by both the federal and Utah State constitutions.
Why not go all the way for fully loaded, permit free carry?
Efforts the last couple of years to get fully loaded permit free carry have either been vetoed by the Governor, or died under threat of veto. The GOP delegates sent a strong message of disapproval in convention. But Herbert won handily in the primary and overwhelmingly in the general. So he is our governor for the next four years. Veto overrides are tough, even when a bill passes by a theoretical "veto proof majority" because of the usual cost of convening a veto-override session.
This is a smaller step than most of us want. But as currently written it is step in the right direction, giving up nothing in the process. That is a bill we can and should support, I believe.
Charles
With that:
Rep. Lee Perry is the sponsor for HB 112, "Firearm Amendments", or as we know it, permit-free carry or constitutional carry.
Language for this bill is available at the Legislative website at http://le.utah.gov/~2017/bills/static/HB0112.html
This bill does two primary things:
1-For those 21 years of age and older, removes the prohibition on carrying a "Utah-unloaded" firearm concealed without a permit.
It allows a gun to be carried concealed without a permit, under the same conditions that it may be OC'd without a permit.
2-Extends criminal and civil liability protection to any business owner who allows a person with a permit, to carry into that business.
It does not change off-limits locations including locations where one needs a permit to legally carry (school zones including, under Utah's GFSZ law, colleges). Obviously, the bill has no effect on the federal GFSZ with its 1000' exclusion zone around all K-12 schools except for those with a permit from the State in which the school is located. It does not change the conditions under which you can use a gun. It does not change the conditions for obtaining a permit.
If passed, this would be a rather small, but I believe crucial step, toward greater statutory recognition of our Rights to keep and bear arms as protected and guaranteed by both the federal and Utah State constitutions.
Why not go all the way for fully loaded, permit free carry?
Efforts the last couple of years to get fully loaded permit free carry have either been vetoed by the Governor, or died under threat of veto. The GOP delegates sent a strong message of disapproval in convention. But Herbert won handily in the primary and overwhelmingly in the general. So he is our governor for the next four years. Veto overrides are tough, even when a bill passes by a theoretical "veto proof majority" because of the usual cost of convening a veto-override session.
This is a smaller step than most of us want. But as currently written it is step in the right direction, giving up nothing in the process. That is a bill we can and should support, I believe.
Charles
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