OC in Nevada

DON`T TREAD ON ME said:

To not vote, Is simply the act of not choosing a master, or set of masters. If liberty is truly your goal, one could argue that choosing someone to rule over you,(voting) is surrendering completely. The idea that voting is what separates us free folks from other less fortunate people, is to ignore many other fundamental problems.

• The idea that by the ritual of voting, as a collective we can give certain people authority to do things we ourselves can not do.
• The idea that you still tell yourself that you have liberty, when others can out vote you, and choose your ruler for you.
• The idea that because there was a majority, (say who voted for those that passed prohibition laws) that somehow you and I have a moral obligation to abide by the wishes (laws) of those rulers.
• The notion that the person elected in your district, represents you. This absurd claim extends to "all those in the persons district" including non voters... and those that voted for someone other than the person elected, It takes some sort of psychotic thought process to even wrap your head around that!

These are only issues that should come up after someone successfully explains to you Where the people who Tax, make laws, and initiate aggression, derive their "Power" to do so with immunity.
If voting as you say is the very means of expressing liberty, Why does it yield vicious dictators Chavez of Venezuela, Hitler of Germany,As well as Egypt's new ruler.

I think the fact we have been conned into pushing a button (being a tool) to choose who will take our money, tell us what to do, while infiltrating, and spying on us. has increased oppression and decreased liberty in the last 100 years or so. yet we continue to writhe in the quicksand!

Here is a short video that explains the voting process well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb8Rj5xkDPk

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The essence of the matter, from a Libertarian point of view, is that when one votes one gives consent for the person he elected to rule over other people, including himself. Therefore, if the politician succumbs to greed, becomes a power-mad tyrant, corrupt, a warmonger, or oppresses the people of this country in any way (which almost all politicians do, as most of them are psychopaths) it is the people who, by their own consent, voted the scumbag into office who are responsible for the negatives that flow from his election. It is they who, as the saying goes, "...have no right to complain." , as they consented to the politicians' rule.

If any person has the right to complain about the corrupt acts of politicians, and the damage done to this country, it is the people who did not vote. This is because, knowing the disposition of almost all men who gain power over others, and more commonly those who purposely seek after such power, to become tyrants, oppressive, and destructive of the peoples' liberties, the Libertarian will not give his consent for such a person to rule over him and the people of this country. It is those who did give their consent by their vote for such a person to rule who have no right to complain.

OC yesterday:

Santa Fe Station Casino...Rewards Center and Buffet...no incidents. In fact, no security seen at all.

Today:

Chase Bank...teller very friendly; excellent customer service. no incidents.

Fiesta Casino

Got kicked out of Fiesta Casino on Carey and Rancho.
Well, not kicked out. But I left.
First a woman security employee asked me to cover my gun, then she was corrected by a security guard standing behind her and she then stated guns are not allowed at all. She asked If I could "Secure the weapon in my car...?"
"No need. I'm done here. Have a nice day."
The sign was not prominently displayed. Walked out the door and had to stand there a few seconds before finding it.
Couple of green shirt security guards on bicycles showed up and waited in the driveway and watched me leave.

dorangolv said:

Got kicked out of Fiesta Casino on Carey and Rancho.
Well, not kicked out. But I left.
First a woman security employee asked me to cover my gun, then she was corrected by a security guard standing behind her and she then stated guns are not allowed at all. She asked If I could "Secure the weapon in my car...?"
"No need. I'm done here. Have a nice day."
The sign was not prominently displayed. Walked out the door and had to stand there a few seconds before finding it.
Couple of green shirt security guards on bicycles showed up and waited in the driveway and watched me leave.

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So they are willing to provide security for your car to make sure it isn't burgled, and provide immediate security for you at all times on premises, huh? How else could putting it in the car make sense?

But remember that a sign is not required. Nor does it have any legal weight if it is there. So you broke no laws by carrying past the sign. All they could do is ask you to leave, and they can do that whether there is a sign or not.

Too bad a Maloof doesn't own it anymore. I have an ear. They got rid of the Palms, now, too. I'm useless.

Next time I want to rob someone there, I'll get some open carriers to walk around to draw all the attention from the "security."

MAC702 said:

So they are willing to provide security for your car to make sure it isn't burgled, and provide immediate security for you at all times on premises, huh? How else could putting it in the car make sense?

But remember that a sign is not required. Nor does it have any legal weight if it is there. So you broke no laws by carrying past the sign. All they could do is ask you to leave, and they can do that whether there is a sign or not.

Too bad a Maloof doesn't own it anymore. I have an ear. They got rid of the Palms, now, too. I'm useless.

Next time I want to rob someone there, I'll get some open carriers to walk around to draw all the attention from the "security."

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Next time? You've robbed them before?

MAC702 said:

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Next time I want to rob someone there, I'll get some open carriers to walk around to draw all the attention from the "security."

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JoeSparky said:

Next time? You've robbed them before?

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Nay - he only referenced if he wanted to again - only having thought about it before. No crime in that

If he followed through, it would be a dry run (situational test), not an actual robbery :uhoh:

F350 said:

My main objection to tobacco users is that so many of them are inconsiderate, self-centered, disgusting pigs. For that reason alone I am about to the point of supporting a smoking in public ban.

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Lol, this is the kind of post I would expect from someone who has the 'rifle expert' as their avatar. Your generalization of every smoker would make your politicians proud. Critical thinking is hard, and therefore generalizing is what you are taught to use for every aspect of your life. Don't worry you're not alone, you are the majority of our drone population who have outsourced all critical thought to media and government. Your comment is like saying all gun owners are the same, or every car owner is the same. A gun is a tool, and the media's use of generalizing all of us is proof of our Idiocracy.

Your solution of banning everything you don't like is just your sense of entitlement. Everyday we encounter people we don't like , however these people don't affect my life for one second. No different than the clowns who want guns banned because it scares them. Unfortunately, you are the majority who have zero clue about the US Constitution. Only the watered down version you believe from media, and your Messiahs called team elephant and team donkey. I know reading the writing of the founders is hard, so it's easier to believe every word of Rachie Maddow, Seanagan O'Hannity, Andy Coopy, etc.

Don't worry come 2016 you can vote for your next savior who will save you from everything you hate... :banghead:

^^^Amen^^^^

Look, I hate to get in the middle of this, but can we focus on guns and open carrying? This thread is supposed to be about how OC experiences go, not a thread to hash out any topic remotely related to personal liberty. I do think the vitriol is increasing and might intimidate someone new to our community.

Let's take this back to guns and our OC experiences, please.

garand_guy said:

Look, I hate to get in the middle of this, but can we focus on guns and open carrying? This thread is supposed to be about how OC experiences go, not a thread to hash out any topic remotely related to personal liberty. I do think the vitriol is increasing and might intimidate someone new to our community.

Let's take this back to guns and our OC experiences, please.

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Well said. Bravo.

Had some errands to run the last few days including running around town looking for an iPad Mini (long story) and here are the results between Eastern and Stephanie (Henderson):

2 diff Targets
2 diff Walmarts
2 diff Gamestops (both actively observed that I was carrying and one even asked what Gen I was carrying and mentioned that he doesn't like the Gen4 grip); calling the store on Eastern, he mentioned that I was open carry and laughed because that guy preferred his Ruger and banter ensued)
Office Depot
KMart
Bestbuy
Golf Galaxy (one of the more overt stares but the guy never flinched and helped me collect the gear I was looking for just as the girl in the shoe section did)

And the usual places: Smiths, CVS, Smoke Shop, Food 4 Less, Mcdonalds, Shell, Terribles, Cheveron...

Again, I'd have to wonder if this thread would be more useful and less long winded if stating places where SOMETHING of note DID happen. I never seem to have an issue or an evil stare and the ones that notice just seem to be curious --not alarmed. To date, I've only had one passing with a Henderson Police Officer but I can't be certain if he noticed despite giving me the eyeball.

TL;DR

Either Positive or neutral reactions.

OC yesterday at Seafood City...no incidents.

I missed a golden opportunity for a close encounter with Metro yesterday. I had just come from a job where I was concealing instead of my usual open carry. Instead of switching out, I just stayed concealed, for the first time ever at one of my favorite bars, Landry's on Sahara, to watch the end of the Colombia-Uruguay soccer match. I lived in Colombia for a while, so I've been rooting for them, and they are undefeated and will be meeting Brazil in the quarter-finals on the 4th.

As soon as I get there, I head to the restroom to wash up. Just as I'm getting to the sink, an employee is there, and Metro comes in right behind him and he points out a trespasser who had come in to the restroom right after me. They guy is drunk or stoned or something, so I'm trying to wash up while they tell him to "put it away" so they can escort him out. I've carried around Metro many times, but that would have been the closest quarters with two of them, me, the employee, and the trespasser, all in the little restroom while they are handling a situation.

So I happen to need the restroom again about 20 minutes later. I happen to get in there the exact same time one of the cops is finishing his paperwork with the manager and he goes in right after me to avail himself of the opportunity as well. I remark: "Man, I just can't use this restroom today without the cops all over me." He laughs. I was really annoyed with myself for not open carrying this trip while being a normal everyday good guy. Sorry, guys.

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Again, I'd have to wonder if this thread would be more useful and less long winded if stating places where SOMETHING of note DID happen. I never seem to have an issue or an evil stare and the ones that notice just seem to be curious --not alarmed. To date, I've only had one passing with a Henderson Police Officer but I can't be certain if he noticed despite giving me the eyeball.

TL;DR

Either Positive or neutral reactions.

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As a lurker (as recently as a year ago), I would frequently read the Arizona, Nevada, and Michigan OC experience threads (sometimes other states' as well) trying to get a feel for what I should expect while carrying. I tried committing applicable laws to memory and memorizing a few good replies for when I'd receive the dreaded "why are you carrying a gun?".

Point is, the long list of non-events gives newcomers the correct impression: OC is NOT extremist, and it is as boring as wearing any other multi-tool on your belt.

I appreciate the efforts made by FreeInAZ, MAC702, Bikenut, and others to keep an ongoing thread in their respective states about how boring OC generally is. At the very least, it helped calm the jitters I had my first time, so I was only very nervous instead of a hyperventilating wreck that would have likely prompted a MWAG call.:lol:

MAC702 said:

I missed a golden opportunity for a close encounter with Metro yesterday.
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I was really annoyed with myself for not open carrying this trip while being a normal everyday good guy. Sorry, guys.

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Shame, shame, shame.
Tell you what: As punishment, you should continue to teach your classes, OC whenever possible, and continue to post the many non-event OC outings you have.
Sound fair?

MAC702 said:

I missed a golden opportunity for a close encounter with Metro yesterday. I had just come from a job where I was concealing instead of my usual open carry. Instead of switching out, I just stayed concealed, for the first time ever at one of my favorite bars, Landry's on Sahara, to watch the end of the Colombia-Uruguay soccer match. I lived in Colombia for a while, so I've been rooting for them, and they are undefeated and will be meeting Brazil in the quarter-finals on the 4th.

As soon as I get there, I head to the restroom to wash up. Just as I'm getting to the sink, an employee is there, and Metro comes in right behind him and he points out a trespasser who had come in to the restroom right after me. They guy is drunk or stoned or something, so I'm trying to wash up while they tell him to "put it away" so they can escort him out. I've carried around Metro many times, but that would have been the closest quarters with two of them, me, the employee, and the trespasser, all in the little restroom while they are handling a situation.

So I happen to need the restroom again about 20 minutes later. I happen to get in there the exact same time one of the cops is finishing his paperwork with the manager and he goes in right after me to avail himself of the opportunity as well. I remark: "Man, I just can't use this restroom today without the cops all over me." He laughs. I was really annoyed with myself for not open carrying this trip while being a normal everyday good guy. Sorry, guys.

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I have flaunted my open-carried pistol in the mens room however never with Metro.

28kfps said:

I have flaunted my open-carried pistol in the mens room however never with Metro.

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Wait, we are talking about firearms still, right?

Open carried in Pet Smarts and Marie Calendars no issues. CCed the very few times I did spend money in a no gun zone. Wife and I took a ride on the observation wheel. Very cool. No guns allowed signs everywhere. Full size 40 cal under the shirt. I was not going to be stuck in a large ball 550 foot of the ground unarmed. However any bad guy was not going to leave at lease in one piece until it returned back to the bottom.

OC'd at various places around Chinatown in the Spring Mountain area. Chinatown Plaza, Pho So 1, 168 grocery. No issues.

MAC702 said:

I missed a golden opportunity for a close encounter with Metro yesterday. I had just come from a job where I was concealing instead of my usual open carry. Instead of switching out, I just stayed concealed, for the first time ever at one of my favorite bars, Landry's on Sahara, to watch the end of the Colombia-Uruguay soccer match. I lived in Colombia for a while, so I've been rooting for them, and they are undefeated and will be meeting Brazil in the quarter-finals on the 4th.

As soon as I get there, I head to the restroom to wash up. Just as I'm getting to the sink, an employee is there, and Metro comes in right behind him and he points out a trespasser who had come in to the restroom right after me. They guy is drunk or stoned or something, so I'm trying to wash up while they tell him to "put it away" so they can escort him out. I've carried around Metro many times, but that would have been the closest quarters with two of them, me, the employee, and the trespasser, all in the little restroom while they are handling a situation.

So I happen to need the restroom again about 20 minutes later. I happen to get in there the exact same time one of the cops is finishing his paperwork with the manager and he goes in right after me to avail himself of the opportunity as well. I remark: "Man, I just can't use this restroom today without the cops all over me." He laughs. I was really annoyed with myself for not open carrying this trip while being a normal everyday good guy. Sorry, guys.

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Safest toilet in the west....

garand_guy said:

Look, I hate to get in the middle of this, but can we focus on guns and open carrying? This thread is supposed to be about how OC experiences go, not a thread to hash out any topic remotely related to personal liberty. I do think the vitriol is increasing and might intimidate someone new to our community.

Let's take this back to guns and our OC experiences, please.

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This is my OC experience:
I started open carrying in Vegas back when you did not leave the house without at least one audio video recorder, and most preferably a backup. (Recorder, not a .380) most of us that carried more than 75% of the time did not even post on here out of concern. We got into scraps with metro, while not fun we considered it necessary to promote liberty.

Metro's unpublished policy was one of "serious discouragement" when encountering an open carrier. As an unorganized group we challenged the establishment and gained a lot of real estate. We improved from a guy being arrested and trespassed from O'Shea's for protesting with a empty holster, to walking down the Strip OC getting thumbs up and nods from the public and metro alike.

We saw arrests for "blue cards" diminish, we went to DUI checkpoints open carry, working with metro to get the checkpoints in compliance with state law. At the same time showing metro that we were not the bad guys and not worth harassing anymore. Metro disbanded their old policy's and adopted new ones. Open carry did not require all of the audio video equipment that at one time seemed vital.

We may have just "got lucky" but as we challenged the opposition, we seemed to emerge unscathed in our quests. I saw some regions of the country have "open carry setbacks" Similar to the rifle struggles going on in Texas. We experienced near immunity, however it seems that as a movement we have reached a plateau and evidently are fine not carrying in the county parks, and a few other places. I see Fremont Street creeping back, with the new "administrative" regulations... yet it seems I am alone in my concern.

I give credit to the fact that we the small group of unorganized carriers talked about all of the uncomfortable stuff, that according to Garand guys quote, "might intimidate someone new to our community." We had bail bonds, and lawyers set up, systems in place not unlike the underground railroad. I was a single parent at the time so I had childcare arranged in the event of an arrest, others would know the tasks that needed to be performed and do work. We spent time. Sometimes my garage, sometimes a restaurant, as well as hours with metro, NHP and such. We did not always agree, but we relied on each other so we listened as well.

Currently there is no real need for a recorder because we open carry, but I believe that getting comfortable will not serve well. I am torn between welcoming new OC'ers who see this as social (it should be enjoyed,) and the need for maintenance. I smile when I see this thread tallying the amount of coffee shops one can visit with no issues, yet underneath lies a monster, wishing to take our liberty.

Should all of our discussion be foundational, and liberty based? I think not. However discarding the elements that produced results we enjoy, will be the demise of those results. I will always smile when I see the posts claiming "NO ISSUES" but refuse to forget the days of oppression. I think that combination is the recipe for success. The founders called it being vigilant!