OC in Nevada

[The Big Guy]

You hit the nail on the head. Its so true and its why I believe America will collapse in a few more decades.

Do you really believe we have a few more decades? I sure hope to hell you're right.

TBG

 

[mp06011999]

Do you really believe we have a few more decades? I sure hope to hell you're right.

TBG

+1

 

[ed2276]

Yesterday OC:

I went down to the mailboxes at my apartment complex to pick up my mail. A guy asked me if I needed a permit to openly carry my gun like that. I told him a permit was only needed to carry concealed. I told him that he could buy a gun, pick it up after 3 days, and immediately start to OC. He was surprised, but interested. He said he just moved here and has California I.D. He wanted to know if he could buy a gun here without Nevada I.D. I wasn't sure. Can anyone educate me about that?

I went to Little Caesar's to get the family a pizza for dinner. The cashier saw my gun and asked if I am law enforcement. I told him no. Didn't seem to faze him. Very customer friendly dude.

 

[28kfps]

I mentioned this before, but it deserves repeating:

Was oc at Summerlin Lowe's like a year ago and this was my only bad oc experience. The "stock boy" middle-age man was reading me the riot act on how, from what he just learned in his ccw class, I was breaking several laws. Long story short, his manager apologized for her employee's behavior and said that Lowe's respects local law and that he would be "retrained".

On a similar note, because I notice that while I share a mutual respect of the 2A with you folks, we may not be coming from the same root belief. I believe in 2A BECAUSE I believe in freedom of the individual. Today on the news they talked about professional baseball's ban on dipping. Really? While I don't use any tobacco products whatsoever I still believe in your freedom to do so SO long as it does not interfere with others. And dipping does not. I mention this because it's just another example of people instilling their will on others "believe like me". As you go through your day and may run into folks that are disgusted by your open carry or enraged by your love of guns remember, they don't pay your bills or share your bed. Their personal feelings should not concern you. Unfortunately, they do because it is personal feelings that usually dictate policy and law. But I ask you to try and lead by example and NOT let your personal feelings dictate your attitude towards others' actions when those actions hurt no one. Be gay, dip, smoke away from others, toke in the privacy of your own home, tattoo yourself, carry your guns, don't carry your guns, whatever....as long as it hurts no one else and doesn't intrude upon their rights.

So maybe when asked why are you open carrying you could answer, "Because I can and it hurts no one else - you know, FREEDOM".

As said,

“But I ask you to try and lead by example and NOT let your personal feelings dictate your attitude towards others' actions when those actions hurt no one. Be gay, dip, smoke away from others, toke in the privacy of your own home, tattoo yourself, carry your guns, don't carry your guns, whatever.... As long as it hurts no one else and doesn't intrude upon their rights.”

I do believe ones home is their kingdom, their piece of leave me alone. However, not really hurting anyone? There is creditable statistics that says the activities you list add a large cost burden to our infrastructure tax base, increased insurance and hospital cost.

The total cost of caring for people with health problems caused by cigarette smoking -- counting all sources of medical payments -- is about $72.7 billion per year, according to health economists at the University of California.

Analysis published in Public Health Reports. All payments made by Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans Administration medical programs, military medical programs, private health insurance companies and out-of-pocket payments were analyzed for that fraction of illness caused by cigarette smoking. By comparison, the report counted only the cost of smoking-related Medicaid payments -- $12.9 billion that year.

We in fact pay higher health insurance and medical cost due to smokers that smoke in the privacy of their own home. Do I believe they have the right to smoke? You bet. However I believe I should not have to pay higher taxes, insurance, and medical bills to take care of a self inflicted disease when they fail to pay their huge smoking related medical bills.

From the CDC the medical cost of excessive alcohol consumption in the United States reached $223.5 billion in 2006 or about $1.90 per drink. Almost three-quarters of these costs were due to binge drinking. Binge drinking is defined as consuming four or more alcoholic beverages per occasion for women or five or more drinks per occasion for men, and is the most common form of excessive alcohol consumption in the United States.

The researchers found that the cost of excessive drinking was quite far-reaching, reflecting the effect this dangerous behavior has on many aspects of the drinker’s life and on the lives of those around them. The costs largely resulted from losses in workplace productivity (72% of the total cost), health care expenses for problems caused by excessive drinking (11% of total), law enforcement and other criminal justice expenses related to excessive alcohol consumption (9% of total), and motor vehicle crash costs from impaired driving (6% of the total)

I like a nice beer, enjoy a well made margarita, however I do not like having to pay extra taxes, higher insurance and medical cost for those in the privacy of their home binge drinking and end up with a huge unpaid medical bill.

It should be our choice if we want to drink too much, smoke or do any of the above listed activates in the privacy of our home. However we are all for being forced to pay billions of our hard earned income to take care of those while in the privacy of their own home end up calling 911 running up a huge medical bills.

I agree with mp06011999 and others on the right to our very hard earned, fought for rights and freedoms. I will vote against, protest, petition, do whatever I can do to prevent our rights from being chipped away. However we all are being hurt monetarily big time by many of those (however their right) that abuse what they do in the privacy of their home. We are forced to pay for their inability to pay for the consequence of their actions. It would be great to have lawmakers that had the answer on to how to keep our rights and how to keep us from having to pay for others that abuse theirs.

 

[mp06011999]

28K, I understand where you're coming from, but (and I'll keep it short) you have to draw the line somewhere. One could argue that those that don't exercise, eat too much, live in polluted cities, have children, do dangerous jobs, eat trans fats, don't eat organic, own dogs, drink cow's milk, live in tornado alley or on the cost and so on and so on cost all of us money. Are you DIRECTLY intruding on another's rights is where I draw the line. Look, I can't stand children and have none. Yet, I have to deal with school zones, graffiti, dangerous teen drivers, government paid for births, higher taxes, etc. BUT, these don't directly intrude upon my rights. Indirectly? Absolutely. You'll drive yourself crazy chasing the connections. Every society absorbs the cost of the actions of all. Like I said, you gotta draw the line somewhere.... Come to think of it, everytime the schools need money my property taxes and car registration goes up so I am being directly affected. That's it, no more kids! :lol:

 

[MAC702]

...I told him that he could buy a gun, pick it up after 3 days, and immediately start to OC. He was surprised, but interested. He said he just moved here and has California I.D. He wanted to know if he could buy a gun here without Nevada I.D. I wasn't sure. Can anyone educate me about that?...

If he is already living here with permanent residence as his intent, technically, he can buy firearms with his CA ID, and use some other proof of residence, like a lease agreement. That said, I think most gun shops are too scared to do it anymore.

Also, in Henderson, there is no 3-day waiting period like the rest of Clark County is doing in complete violation of state law.

 

[mp06011999]

...Also, in Henderson, there is no 3-day waiting period like the rest of Clark County is doing in complete violation of state law.

That's the local government ignoring the State's exclusive authority to regulate sale, possession & ownership of firearms, correct? There is NO state waiting period?

BTW, I wrote the State AG and got a canned reply that they don't help the individual. What BS. When I lived in Michigan I actually had the State AG on speed dial and spoke with him on several occasions / issues. And that's a state with a much higher population than NV. Go figure. NV politicians are the worst!

 

[28kfps]

28K, I understand where you're coming from, but (and I'll keep it short) you have to draw the line somewhere. One could argue that those that don't exercise, eat too much, live in polluted cities, have children, do dangerous jobs, eat trans fats, don't eat organic, own dogs, drink cow's milk, live in tornado alley or on the cost and so on and so on cost all of us money. Are you DIRECTLY intruding on another's rights is where I draw the line. Look, I can't stand children and have none. Yet, I have to deal with school zones, graffiti, dangerous teen drivers, government paid for births, higher taxes, etc. BUT, these don't directly intrude upon my rights. Indirectly? Absolutely. You'll drive yourself crazy chasing the connections. Every society absorbs the cost of the actions of all. Like I said, you gotta draw the line somewhere.... Come to think of it, everytime the schools need money my property taxes and car registration goes up so I am being directly affected. That's it, no more kids! :lol:

I do believe we are in the best country and under the greatest government in the world. Just wish that line did not have so many large bumps in it.

 

[JJxx101]

Went out and ran s. Nothing to run some errands today nothing to out of the ordinary. Went to the UPS store near 215 and 95 in centennial hills, no problems there. Went to Alberson's on Farm and did some grocery shopping. While checking out the cashier asked me how hard it was to get a Nevada CHL I told him I wouldn't know as I don't have one. He gave me a look like I was crazy for carrying without a license I told him in Nevada it's not required to have a license to open carry just be able to legally posses a fire arm. He said that was cool as he has been thinking about getting a handgun for self defense. He then said with everything going on around in Vegas now he would be carrying everywhere too.

 

[vegaspassat]

I was working on a friend's car this evening and we had to go to O'riely's on washington near buffalo for some parts. When I walked in I immediately noticed not one, but TWO guys open carrying! When the guy working behind the counter noticed me he remarked "Holy cow! We got everyone in here locked and loaded today!" to which I replied "Yep, gotta be safe!" lol I had a brief conversation with the clerk and one of the guys about what we were carrying and that was that. Just a casual encounter. As it should be. Ironically, as casual as it was, this is the first time I've encountered two other people carrying at the same time "out in the wild" so to speak.

BTW, I think it may have been craftymommy's husband that I talked to. He kind of fit the description she has given here, and I know it is in the area near where they live.

 

[F350]

The total cost of caring for people with health problems caused by cigarette smoking -- counting all sources of medical payments -- is about $72.7 billion per year, according to health economists at the University of California.

Analysis published in Public Health Reports. All payments made by Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans Administration medical programs, military medical programs, private health insurance companies and out-of-pocket payments were analyzed for that fraction of illness caused by cigarette smoking. By comparison, the report counted only the cost of smoking-related Medicaid payments -- $12.9 billion that year......

Here is an part of a letter to the editor I wrote some years ago while living in Missouri....

Part of the reasoning for raising the tobacco taxes is based on the premise that smokers are a net cost to society because of the health care costs when they get sick. On the other hand there are a number of studies which suggest smokers are actually a net benefit to society, yes they get sick from smoking but they die rather quickly and before they are able to draw social security retirement benefits equal to their contributions, if at all, saving the beleaguered system hundreds of millions of dollars. The people that will be a net cost to society are the health nuts who are destined to linger for many many years in nursing homes costing over $200 a day, plus the medicinal regimen necessary to maintain someone at that stage of life all paid for by a nearly bankrupt Medicare system and other government programs, all the while drawing their social security benefits for years and years well beyond the point of their own contributions. If you want to tax people based on their projected cost to society then we should tax tofu, bean sprouts, bottled water and running shoes.

My main objection to tobacco users is that so many of them are inconsiderate, self-centered, disgusting pigs. Throwing butts anywhere they happen to be, spitting on sidewalks, throwing butts out car windows starting fires here in the west etc. My wife works at a university, when I meet her there I see dozens of butts on the sidewalks within 10 yards of receptacles, butts left to burn picnic tables, paper cups of tobacco spit left sitting around, totally disgusting, disrespectful behavior. For that reason alone I am about to the point of supporting a smoking in public ban.

 

[mp06011999]

....My main objection to tobacco users is that so many of them are inconsiderate, self-centered, disgusting pigs. Throwing butts anywhere they happen to be, spitting on sidewalks, throwing butts out car windows starting fires here in the west etc. My wife works at a university, when I meet her there I see dozens of butts on the sidewalks within 10 yards of receptacles, butts left to burn picnic tables, paper cups of tobacco spit left sitting around, totally disgusting, disrespectful behavior. For that reason alone I am about to the point of supporting a smoking in public ban.

I say we just go right to the source and ban people.

Was oc at Sam's Club in the NW. Sitting there killing myself with a processed meat parts link on a diabetes causing carbohydrate bed of over processed grass & corn syrup and a brain damage causing liquid diet refreshment, a lady and her 5 young resource sucking offspring were admiring my killing machine - pointing and talking in strange Spanish "code" about it. But no one died. Hooray, what a day! :lol:

Also oc'd in a city park in NLV Saturday playing frisbee. No issues there either.

 

[Grapeshot]

I say we just go right to the source and ban people.

Was oc at Sam's Club in the NW. Sitting there killing myself with a processed meat parts link on a diabetes causing carbohydrate bed of over processed grass & corn syrup and a brain damage causing liquid diet refreshment, a lady and her 5 young resource sucking offspring were admiring my killing machine - pointing and talking in strange Spanish "code" about it. But no one died. Hooray, what a day! :lol:

Also oc'd in a city park in NLV Saturday playing frisbee. No issues there either.

Refreshing POV

 

[ed2276]

If he is already living here with permanent residence as his intent, technically, he can buy firearms with his CA ID, and use some other proof of residence, like a lease agreement. That said, I think most gun shops are too scared to do it anymore.

Also, in Henderson, there is no 3-day waiting period like the rest of Clark County is doing in complete violation of state law.

He told me he is already living here as a permanent resident; he leases in my apartment complex. I'll let him know it is probably best to get his NV ID first.
I am surprised about the no waiting period in Henderson! Had I known that before I bought my last gun, I would have bought in Henderson. But, now that I have a blue card, I don't have to wait the 3 days in Las Vegas.

Thanks for the info., MAC

 

[dorangolv]

Hide the swimming pool!

Nothing to hide, yet at least! I didn't grow up with firearms because my mom was too scared. We had my grandpas guns in the house and my sister and I knew where they were but told to not touch them. Granted we were older ( I was in high school) but all the same I wish they would have taught us. My husband and I bought our first firearm around the time my oldest was born and now here we are today. Two kids, one on the way, and them learning how to respect firearms!

Side note on my mom, they finally got guns the past few years because of my brother in boys outs and my mom loves shooting. Go figure

Copied this from an earlier post from this forum that I added to my fb "Notes". Taken from a coversation I had with an anti-gun woman at the South Point Casino.

"She brought up the idea of safety again and having a gun in the house with young kids. I told her that is my concern, too. In response, I asked her, if she were to buy a home with a swimming pool, would she build a wall around it and hide it from her grand kids and pretend it wasn't there, hoping they never found it by accident?

Or would she teach them how dangerous water can be?
Wouldn't she have a set of strict rules that form the foundation of safe pool use for everyone?
Would she teach them how to be confident, strong swimmers and keep watch over those who are too small to swim?
Would she be there with them while they swim?

Drowning is very common here in Las Vegas. We're coming into the Drowning Season about now. We'll see news stories of a large family gathering and a toddler drowning with 20 people within reach. But no one to save the child because the adults are careless and don't pay attention. Drowning is very quiet. You can't scream when you're under water. By the time the kid sinks under water and is discovered, it's probably too late. The right thing to do is to teach them about the dangers to themselves and others who don't know how to swim.

How much more than with a hand gun? Education, exposure, repetition, training works with gun ownership the way it works with a swimming pool.

All in all, she was very receptive to me as I spoke. I don't know how she feels about the idea of personal gun ownership, but at least she has a different perspective on guns and no longer holds erroneous views about gun shows and the people who own guns... I think."

 

[mp06011999]

NWLV:
Lowe's, Denny's, Albertson's, Home Depot, Lee's Liquor, Fresh & Easy, Funny's gas station, Starbux, Subway, Hungry Howies - No issues, per usual.

Say, I wanna commend Metro for saying this morning on Fox 5's Behind The Badge segment that Metro's increase in violent armed criminals confronting police is "not a gun control issue but a change in behavior by our criminal element". Awesome. Being a man that makes his living (and his happiness) working with his hands I hate it when people blame the tools for anything.

This trend in criminal behavior where Metro says "the criminals are getting more bold" gives even more reason for arming yourself.

 

[MAC702]

... I wanna commend Metro for saying this morning....

I've found that what "Metro says" varies greatly depending on which department is saying it. Which one was this? But, yes, good statement.

 

[mp06011999]

I've found that what "Metro says" varies greatly depending on which department is saying it. Which one was this? But, yes, good statement.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=10306565

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

You forfeit the very means that expresses liberty in our society - that is of course your choice - but you do surrender w/o a fight.

Feelings are a wonderful thing - they provide inner peace......or turmoil as the case may be.

To not vote, Is simply the act of not choosing a master, or set of masters. If liberty is truly your goal, one could argue that choosing someone to rule over you,(voting) is surrendering completely. The idea that voting is what separates us free folks from other less fortunate people, is to ignore many other fundamental problems.

• The idea that by the ritual of voting, as a collective we can give certain people authority to do things we ourselves can not do.
• The idea that you still tell yourself that you have liberty, when others can out vote you, and choose your ruler for you.
• The idea that because there was a majority, (say who voted for those that passed prohibition laws) that somehow you and I have a moral obligation to abide by the wishes (laws) of those rulers.
• The notion that the person elected in your district, represents you. This absurd claim extends to "all those in the persons district" including non voters... and those that voted for someone other than the person elected, It takes some sort of psychotic thought process to even wrap your head around that!

These are only issues that should come up after someone successfully explains to you Where the people who Tax, make laws, and initiate aggression, derive their "Power" to do so with immunity.
If voting as you say is the very means of expressing liberty, Why does it yield vicious dictators Chavez of Venezuela, Hitler of Germany,As well as Egypt's new ruler.

I think the fact we have been conned into pushing a button (being a tool) to choose who will take our money, tell us what to do, while infiltrating, and spying on us. has increased oppression and decreased liberty in the last 100 years or so. yet we continue to writhe in the quicksand!

Here is a short video that explains the voting process well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb8Rj5xkDPk

 

[mp06011999]

Here is a short video that explains the voting process well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb8Rj5xkDPk

Good video of "Human Nature".

And while I had a bunch of stuff written here I ultimately decided to delete it, NOT go off track into a bunch of stuff no one wants to hear anyhow - Shh, shh, shh... I don't need to hear it's raining out. I can see that for myself - And settled on linking this groovy tune rendition.
Enjoy and enjoy the weekend my fellow pro 2A'ers:monkey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBkMKnXyAq4