Gerald Ung

Any updates?

I am wondering if anyone has heard any news regarding this case? Villainous law student Gerald Ung shoots frat boy slacker hero Ed DiDonato...

The most consistent source of information on this case is the PAFOA forum:

http://forum.pafoa.org/news-123/86076-old-city-shooting.html

TFred

I've noted that the date for trial is set at 2/7/2011.

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketSheets/CourtSummaryReport.aspx?matterID=201683609

I was curious about this considering the current affair with Skidmark, as the courts seem to be slower in PA than in VA, at least in this case.

nuc65 said:

I've noted that the date for trial is set at 2/7/2011.

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketSheets/CourtSummaryReport.aspx?matterID=201683609

I was curious about this considering the current affair with Skidmark, as the courts seem to be slower in PA than in VA, at least in this case.

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There is no comparison. Skidmark is charged with a couple misdemeanors. Gerald Ung is charged with attempted murder!

TFred

TFred said:

There is no comparison. Skidmark is charged with a couple misdemeanors. Gerald Ung is charged with attempted murder!

TFred

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Interesting take, I was comparing the time frame not the charges.

nuc65 said:

Interesting take, I was comparing the time frame not the charges.

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Ung skips the inferior court process mostly. He's going straight to Circuit (Whatever they call their Superior court) with a Jury, etc.

His case takes a looong time to prepare. Skidmark is going to GD court, no jury and probably a trial on the 4th.

nuc65 said:

Interesting take, I was comparing the time frame not the charges.

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peter nap said:

Ung skips the inferior court process mostly. He's going straight to Circuit (Whatever they call their Superior court) with a Jury, etc.

His case takes a looong time to prepare. Skidmark is going to GD court, no jury and probably a trial on the 4th.

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Exactly... the consequences are much more significant for Ung.

TFred

Well for one, walking around at 2 am is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Next, I think he should have ran and not drawn a gun on those drunks, there was 3 of them and they could have jumped him from all angles. I would have drawn if they tryed to hold me down. Or drew a weapon of some sort, but then again 3 men is a weapon.

First off, I have defintely taught both my wife and my daughter to not worry if about a weapon in the hand of any man who is attacking them. If my wife has her firearm on her or my daughter is at home, they know to open fire on an attacker.

Hank's advice is a great way for women to be raped and or beaten to death, especially in their own homes.


I wonder what would have happened to a 70 year old lady if she was in Ung's difficult position and decided to fire while being assaulted as she tried to move backwards with a gun in hand. I wonder if they would have pressed charges on a young woman with her two children at her side if she made the same choice Ung did under the same circumstances. My guess is both of those people would have walked without charges with that video as evidence.

I really hope Ung beats these charges. Once he's closed upon by a group of aggressors, his life and his health are completely up in the air and who is to guess how it would turn out. How many times have we known of people being stomped into a coma, brain damage or death by a group of youths. How is Ung to know if and when a blade would be pulled out while he's being beaten? How does he know the fate of his girl who is with him should he be rendered immobile and/or seriously injured?

The lesson to learn here is that if you are going to go out, bully, beat and inflict harm and crimes upon others, you just may get your **** shot up. Maybe that student was only going to punch him a few times maybe he and his friends had alot more devious plans. I hope the injured party reflects back on that incident and realizes the incredibly reckless judgement on his own part instead of putting all the blame outside of himself. He has no one to blame but himself. Sometimes you gotta just walk away while you can still walk away. This is the exact reason why I don't ever get into arguements on the roads or out in public and will walk away any chance I can. I've counseled my teenagers too as to how potentially dangerous it can be to flip off another motorist who cuts you off or is deciding to step outside with you at a party to settle some differences. Some people, either in the right or in the wrong, are armed and are not going to let themselves lose in a violent confrontation. Quit screwing around with people and you just may avoid getting yourself hurt when its not even neccessary.

peter nap said:

Ung skips the inferior court process mostly. He's going straight to Circuit (Whatever they call their Superior court) with a Jury, etc.

His case takes a looong time to prepare. Skidmark is going to GD court, no jury and probably a trial on the 4th.

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I hope Surry doesn't drag it out by asking for a continuance. So far the demonstrated lack of competency has me concerned.

palerider116 said:

I hope Surry doesn't drag it out by asking for a continuance. So far the demonstrated lack of competency has me concerned.

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As far as Ung goes, I believe it wasn't just him, but he was in fear of his GF who had been grabbed by one of the thugs during the encounter.

OT (Ung) -> Skidmark's case:
[Strike]The continuance may be required to be accepted by the defendant because the right to speedy trial clock should be running. Prosecution could ask for a continuance and Skidmark could deny the request based on this. But one would have to inquire with a lawyer since I am only guessing. [/Strike]Although it seems like the prosecution has plenty of time for this 5 or 9 months depending on the charges. It is noted that for form the defense must object under speedy trial rules for any continuance, in fact the defense must object to every motion and most words that the prosecutor utters (my opinion).

http://www.virginialawoffice.com/rcases/winston-dismiss-indictments.pdf
http://crimlaw.blogspot.com/2005/09/winning-speedy-trial-argument.html

One can waive those rights: http://www.pwcgov.org/docLibrary/PDF/007931.pdf

Speedy Trial

You have a right to a speedy trial under the Sixth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which requires that the trial be held within a certain time frame after a person has been charged with a crime.

This right can be waived by asking for additional time for the preparation of your defense.


Speedy Trial rights in Virginia

With limited exceptions, a defendant should be brought to trial in Virginia:

* Within 5 months if the accused crime is a felony and the defendant is in custody
* Within 9 months if the accused crime is a felony and the defendant is not in custody but has been recognized for his appearance in court
* Within 5 months if the accused crime is a misdemeanor or a traffic infraction and the defendant is in custody
* Within 9 months if the accused crime is a misdemeanor or traffic infraction and the defendant has been recognized for his appearance in court

A felony is a crime usually punishable by imprisonment for more than one year. A misdemeanor, on the other hand, is usually punishable by a fine or a year or less of incarceration.

Gerald Ung trial

Trial was scheduled for today at 9AM. If anyone attended, please give a report. You can follow online on the PA court site. Case nr. is CP-51-CR-0004808-2010

http://forum.pafoa.org/philadelphia...al-coming-up-2-7-11-a-page-4.html#post1488911

Apparently just jury selection today

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketSheets/CPReport.aspx?docketNumber=CP-51-CR-0004808-2010

See page 7

Some reports from the trial are starting to hit the media. Keep up to date with these two threads:

http://forum.pafoa.org/news-123/86076-old-city-shooting.html
http://forum.pafoa.org/philadelphia-4/124932-gerald-ung-trial-coming-up-2-7-11-a.html

TFred

TFred said:

Some reports from the trial are starting to hit the media. Keep up to date with these two threads:

http://forum.pafoa.org/news-123/86076-old-city-shooting.html
http://forum.pafoa.org/philadelphia-4/124932-gerald-ung-trial-coming-up-2-7-11-a.html

TFred

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Thanks for the information... Hope someone in the other forums can go to his trial, I guess it is set for tomorrow, the ninth.

Well, if anyone is wondering how a drunken jock thug managed to not only survive, but continue to attack his victim even after taking 6 shots at virtually point-blank range...

The very biased Philly Lacrosse website is reporting that Mr. Ung was carrying a .380.

TFred

I read that article, and wish I hadn't. Twisted media reporting just makes me seethe.

But it did re-validate my switch from .380 to 10mm a few months ago.

TFred said:

Well, if anyone is wondering how a drunken jock thug managed to not only survive, but continue to attack his victim even after taking 6 shots at virtually point-blank range...

The very biased Philly Lacrosse website is reporting that Mr. Ung was carrying a .380.

TFred

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So the cop is saying that he was close enough to get there in 5-10 seconds yet not close enough to notice this fight about to happen???

epilogue said:

I read that article, and wish I hadn't. Twisted media reporting just makes me seethe.

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I'm grappling with the same problem in reverse epilogue.
Twisted reporting works both ways. It's difficult for me to make a Documentary that involves a constitutional, especially a 2nd amendment issue, without shading the other side.

If you come up with a solution, please let me know.:banghead:

This particular article isn't nearly as bad as the the one they posted a year ago when this all went down. This whole event reeks of posh, connected rich boys vs. average dude in the wrong place at the wrong time.

They won't even put an author's name on the article. Man the **** up and stop hiding behind the spin.

peter nap said:

I'm grappling with the same problem in reverse epilogue.
Twisted reporting works both ways. It's difficult for me to make a Documentary that involves a constitutional, especially a 2nd amendment issue, without shading the other side.

If you come up with a solution, please let me know.:banghead:

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Even if you're 100% factual, objective, balanced, fair etc, the opposing side will see it as an attack.

The problem you're already well aware of: You can't reason with unreasonable sheeple.

"Localities with less restrictive gun laws have lower instances of violent crime"

"NO!"

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How can you argue with that?