Woman held hostage and stabbed repeatedly at York County Walmart

[Grapeshot]

An interesting bit of trivia. The man who Crocodile Dundee was modeled after, was killed in a shootout with police when they came for his guns.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...e-dundee-dies-in-police-shootout-1110770.html

 

[t33j]

Don: http://s965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/formfill/Yorktown 07-30-2010/

Looks like one of the cops is carrying in a crossdraw serpa type. I don't see too much of that.

 

[simmonsjoe]

He is a right handed officer.

Don: http://s965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/formfill/Yorktown 07-30-2010/

Looks like one of the cops is carrying in a crossdraw serpa type. I don't see too much of that.

He has a gun on his right hip. What your seeing in the crossdraw position is a stun gun. Some officers use a cross draw and use their gun hand, some use the offhand to draw and fire. (So as not to confuse if your firing a handgun or a tazer)

I'm not sure a pistol gripped tazer is particularly smart, but almost all the cops have em, and I've never seen anyone that had on not have it on their weak side.

 

[MSC 45ACP]

Yorktown WallyWorld

I spent a couple hours OCing in Yorktown WalMart and KMart last night pricing stuff for my college-bound daughter. No bugeyes or problems. Even had a positive encounter with a "kid". I gave him a few of Ed's OC cards and we talked about pistols. He didn't know much about OC or about pistols, but he was enthusiastic.

 

[Grapeshot]

He has a gun on his right hip. What your seeing in the crossdraw position is a stun gun. Some officers use a cross draw and use their gun hand, some use the offhand to draw and fire. (So as not to confuse if your firing a handgun or a tazer)

I'm not sure a pistol gripped tazer is particularly smart, but almost all the cops have em, and I've never seen anyone that had on not have it on their weak side.

Alleged taser/pistol confusion:

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/08/verdict-reached-in-oakland-subway-shooting/

 

[peter nap]

He has a gun on his right hip. What your seeing in the crossdraw position is a stun gun. Some officers use a cross draw and use their gun hand, some use the offhand to draw and fire. (So as not to confuse if your firing a handgun or a tazer)

I'm not sure a pistol gripped tazer is particularly smart, but almost all the cops have em, and I've never seen anyone that had on not have it on their weak side.

I carry mine in a shoulder holster CC most of the time. I'm not even sure where my paddle for it is.

 

[simmonsjoe]

You can find numerous videos of this incedent on youtube.

Alleged taser/pistol confusion:

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/08/verdict-reached-in-oakland-subway-shooting/

He was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

Looked like an execution to me.

 

[wylde007]

Looked like an execution to me.

And to everyone else on the train platform who watched the badge thug unnecessarily unholster his weapon on a man already on the ground, prone and in handcuffs and shoot him in the back.

That was murder one. Period.

 

[TFred]

And to everyone else on the train platform who watched the badge thug unnecessarily unholster his weapon on a man already on the ground, prone and in handcuffs and shoot him in the back.

That was murder one. Period.

This was a big story, obviously.

The officer claimed that he mistook his gun to be his taser.

In order to convict him of first degree murder, he would have to have intentionally set out to kill the man.

I don't see it. Even if he did want to kill the man, and I don't know of any plausible evidence to establish such a motive, why would he do so under those conditions, "prone and in handcuffs and shot in the back", which would guarantee that there would be many witnesses and the full force of legal ramifications to deal with.

Whether it is believed or not, the taser explanation does make sense. If it had been the taser and not the gun, this story doesn't even make the back page of the smallest newspaper in town.

I don't know. And in reality, neither do you, nor anyone else other than the officer involved. All I do know is that to me at least, intentional murder doesn't make sense here.

TFred

 

[wylde007]

Whether it is believed or not, the taser explanation does make sense. If it had been the taser and not the gun, this story doesn't even make the back page of the smallest newspaper in town.

I disagree. Then he's tazering a prone, handcuffed man.

At the very least this officer has horrible trigger control. Involuntary manslaughter, to me, just reeks of "getting off easy". I doubt any otherwise law-abiding citizen would have been granted the leniency this guy was afforded.

Plus, he quit the department and immediately fled the jurisdiction. That, to me, says a lot about his character (or lack thereof).

I hope they put this punta in GP.

 

[MSC 45ACP]

I hope they put this punta in GP.

"Puta" too?

 

[wylde007]

"Puta" too?

I stand corrected.:banana:

 

[Neplusultra]

I disagree. Then he's tazering a prone, handcuffed man.

At the very least this officer has horrible trigger control. Involuntary manslaughter, to me, just reeks of "getting off easy". I doubt any otherwise law-abiding citizen would have been granted the leniency this guy was afforded.

Plus, he quit the department and immediately fled the jurisdiction. That, to me, says a lot about his character (or lack thereof).

I hope they put this punta in GP.

Does anyone know of a link to the video of this? I seem to remember it was video taped. IIRC his reaction to shooting the man was inconsistent with how I would expect, myself at least, someone to react after just accidently shooting someone. But that's just conjecture.

 

[wylde007]

[video=youtube;bmJukcFzEX4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmJukcFzEX4[/video]

Search "Oscar Grant" and "Oakland".

 

[ixtow]

This report is a lie.

Obviously, since WalMart has a policy against bad things, this never happened. No living thing on earth is capable of doing contrary to a corporate policy.

Also, since this woman chose to be helplessly unarmed, she had an invisible happy shield around her that prevents bad things from being done in her presence, or to her or her kids (if she has any). These happy shields are infallible and are always in effect any time a person chooses to be utterly helpless.

/sarcasm

 

[MSC 45ACP]

This report is a lie.

Obviously, since WalMart has a policy against bad things, this never happened. No living thing on earth is capable of doing contrary to a corporate policy.

Also, since this woman chose to be helplessly unarmed, she had an invisible happy shield around her that prevents bad things from being done in her presence, or to her or her kids (if she has any). These happy shields are infallible and are always in effect any time a person chooses to be utterly helpless.

/sarcasm

Ixtow, the sad thin about this incident is that MANY posters in the Virginia section of OCDO live, shop (and always OC) at this WalMart. I have a few neighbors that always CC, but never OC. At least they carry... I won't speak for the rest of our OC bretheren, but I certainly wish I had been there when this happened. I may have been able to prevent the woman's injuries (and maybe not). The only one that really knows is the LEO who was on scene. Its too bad the scumbag didn't remove himself from the gene pool. York County Sheriff's Office has a professional and effective SWAT team. I heard about this happening shortly after it started. The video-blogger is a classmate of my second daughter. She got a text from a friend minutes after it began...

 

[peter nap]

. The video-blogger is a classmate of my second daughter. She got a text from a friend minutes after it began...

Tell her to tell him...that it's always better to take pictures of the BG.:lol:

 

[MSC 45ACP]

I saw his short clip on WAVY News. What a lousy clip! He showed his own face while walking/riunning. My daughter says the kid carries his video camera EVERYWHERE. My guess is he was no where NEAR the BG when this happened. If he had been, he may have had the presence of mind to video the BG, but who knows what goes on in the mind of a scared kid?