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mark edward marchiafava wrote:
I don't give a flying flip what excuses you use to justify this crap, it's still crap. And you make no bones about defending it. Heil !!!!!!
Again, you go to great lengths to defend the concept of property values. Surprise !!!! Your neighbors do NOT owe it to you to guard, defend and increase the value of your property. Just admit it, you are a fascist !!!!! You, like most Amerikans, have taken the bait fed you by the mainstream media. You, too, think you have a right to tell, no, DEMAND that others live up to your standards. Here, try this on for size. Jefferson said you have the right to do as you please TILL you interfere with the rights of others. There is no such thing as a right to have your property increase in value.
Hibbel, ahhhhhhhh, ANOTHER excellent example of government run amok. Poor Hibbel, standing on the side of a road, STANDING, and some cop of your calibre DEMANDS Hibbel ID himself. Forget NO person was being violated, forget NO warrant existed for his arrest. What further proof would it take to convince even YOU we now live in a POLICE state? Welcome, komrade, to the new Amerika, YOUR Amerika.
Mark,
Where I'm from there are a few truths:
1-The first to stoop to childish insults has not only lost the debate, but has removed himself from polite society.
2-While my neighbors have no duty to enhance my property values, neither do they have ANY right to steal from me or damage my property.
3-You obey the law until such time as you can get it changed.
4-It is unbecoming to expect the rules of the game to be changed midstream.
NOBODY has to buy a home in any neighborhood with zoning, codes, covenants, nor other restrictions. But once you do, KNOWING full well what you are doing, you are obliged to follow the rules. Others have purchased in the same area expecting that the rules will be equally applied. In most cases, EVERYONE paid a certain premium to live in an area with such restrictions rather than an area free from those restrictions.
Nobody here would tolerate an armed thief getting off scott free. Likewise, someone who stole from us via stealth, fraud, or deceit would be worthy of punishment. A person who defaults on a contract and costs you money will be expected to make it right and may well face various civil or criminal penalties as well. Someone who vandalized our property by dumping gasoline on our lawn would also be deserving of punishment. Deliberately allowing a yard to completely die off in a neighborhood with zoning to the contrary is no different. This woman effectively entered into a contract with her neighbors when she bought property in a zoned neighborhood. She has defaulted on that contract and in so doing has cost her neighbors money. If she had parked junk cars on her lawn on blocks, or opened a brothel or meth house most everyone would agree that she WAS infringing on the rights of her neighbors and was deserving of punishment.
Those who wish to live without the restrictions (and protections) offered by zoning or other restrictions are perfectly free to buy propery or a home in unzoned areas. There is no shortage of such areas in Utah, nor even along the Wasatch Front. And in such areas I will defend the right of homeowners to have as trashy a yard as they like.
But when you buy a home KNOWING full well that there are zoning or other restrictions governing exterior appearance you do NOT then get to ignore and violate those rules with impunity.
This thread highlights the risks of posting something highly off topic. I expect we all agree on the propriety of open carry and RKBA. But there are clearly differing opinions on other areas of politics.
I am not a Libertarian, nor an anarchist. I believe that a certain number of rules are required to allow large groups of strangers to live in close proximity in peace.
Even where people live far apart in the country, unwritten rules have long governed affairs. A rancher who provided save haven for predators on his land was NOT going to be very popular with his neighbors.
NOW, this all said, I do NOT necessarily agree with effecting a forcible arrest over a zoning violation. A ticket on the door, a summons to appear are probably more appropriate ways to handle this. But I wasn't there and I know enough of the media to know accuracy in anything is not their strong suite so I'm not anxious to condemn this officer based on media reports alone. AND, whatever he may have done wrong does NOT excuse the blatant zoning violations committed by the homeowner.
IF you can engage in civil discourse, I welcome it. I'm also perfectly ok agreeing to disagree on this point. But don't bother responding again in the rude manner you have employed previously.