Wisconsin CWL Usefulness

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

FL and CO only recognize "resident" permits. And, both require a written agreement between states before they accept reciprocity or recognition. My prediction is that within a year, both FL an CO will recognize a WI permit; even though neither State does so at this moment .

According to http://cbi.state.co.us/ic/Reciprocity.html the only requirement for CO to recognize is the other state to recognize.

Pursuant to Colorado law (CRS 18-12-213), the State of Colorado will recognize a valid permit issued in another state IF the permit was issued to a resident of the state issuing the permit, and the permit tee is 21 yrs of age or older, AND the other state recognizes Colorado permits as valid in their state.

I have emailed the CBI and sent them the link to the WI DOJ site that shows WI recognizes CO. We shall see.

 

[safcrkr]

The owner of handgunlaw.us has already been in contact.

Posted earlier today...


"I have heard back from CO. There is nothing in writing yet but things are in the works. Here is the reply I got from CO.

Gary,

I have provided the State of Wisconsin with a copy of our Colorado CHP Survey and requested a confirmation that they will legally honor our CO permit, thereby allowing their residents to carry concealed here as well. I am required to have some type of documentation on hand received from the recognizing state, a basic confirmation as I have had State Attorneys General change their mind (Wyoming a few years ago...). I just called Wisconsin again and I am hoping to resolve this ASAP.

James Spoden
Supervisor InstaCheck/CHP Unit
Colorado Bureau of Investigation
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Stay Safe,
Gary Slider
Handgunlaw.us "


and this was posted a little later...

"Just heard from Mr. Spoden again and from my take on it Wisconsin will be added in the next few days. Another state for Wisconsin residents."
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Stay Safe,
Gary Slider
Handgunlaw.us

 

[TaurusToter]

MN - no live fire in WI
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Utah CFP requires live fire?

 

[Captain Nemo]

What's the benefit of multi state licenses except for bragging rights that we have them? Exceept for a couple weeks vacation each year and excepting the few hat do a considerable amount of business travel I woud surmise that 90+ percent of us seldom get out of the WI, MI, IL, SD, ND, IW, MN area. What happens in IL concealed carry is anyone's guess. Reciprosity with MN is what we have to work on.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

Utah CFP requires live fire?

No.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

What's the benefit of multi state licenses except for bragging rights that we have them? Exceept for a couple weeks vacation each year and excepting the few hat do a considerable amount of business travel I woud surmise that 90+ percent of us seldom get out of the WI, MI, IL, SD, ND, IW, MN area. What happens in IL concealed carry is anyone's guess. Reciprosity with MN is what we have to work on.

That is probably it.

I was surprised how used to not doing the 'dance' I was when I went to MO a couple weeks ago. I had to pull over on the interstate just before IL and disarm and as soon as I crossed the bridge into MO I then rearmed.

While I still have some concerns about the national reciprocity bill that passed the House, it will make this discussion moot.

 

[safcrkr]

What's the benefit of multi state licenses except for bragging rights that we have them? Exceept for a couple weeks vacation each year and excepting the few hat do a considerable amount of business travel I woud surmise that 90+ percent of us seldom get out of the WI, MI, IL, SD, ND, IW, MN area. What happens in IL concealed carry is anyone's guess. Reciprosity with MN is what we have to work on.

If you live in a "border" area, like I do, being "covered" in the neighboring state at the very least is helpful. I go into the U.P. of MI at the least, once a week. About 10% of my business involves traveling into the U.P. Now that WI is issuing CWLs, that's all I need there (in fact, that's the ONLY one I can use there). My daughter and 2 of my 5 grandkids live in MN. I go there numerous times per year, so unless MN eventually recognizes WI, I'll still need another CWL from another state that's recognized in MN... so I heartily agree with working on MN reciprocity, but it's MN that I want to change to conform (our law IS better than theirs). My sister lives in FL. The only reason I've had a FL license since '02 is for when I go down there. I haven't been in a few years, but that will soon change. I'm S.S. eligible in 6 months, my wife in 9. Neither will quit working entirely, but we will cut back, and travel more. Neither of us like to fly, but we bought a new car (and a new Kahr ) already, for making the long drives. There's a lot of states between here & FL not yet recognizing a WI CWL. Bad part is, most of her family lives in ILL.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

Received this from CO:

Mr. Fisher,

Aside from their web site, the Department of Justice just recognized our CO CHP on 12/05/11, I have subsequently had our web page updated and the reciprocity status has been posted for Colorado Law Enforcement Agencies and the general public. I believe a few other states are also in the process of confirming WI information as well.

Thank you for contacting me regarding Colorado reciprocity, it really does help to have extra sets of eyes out there watching for these type of changes!

Thanks again,

James Spoden
Supervisor InstaCheck/CHP Unit
Colorado Bureau of Investigation
Ph: (303) 239-5850
Fax: (303) 239-5848

Their web site has been updated with WI and a 'Yes'.

http://cbi.state.co.us/ic/Reciprocity.html

 

[Viper]

Received this from CO:



Their web site has been updated with WI and a 'Yes'.

http://cbi.state.co.us/ic/Reciprocity.html

Very nice. Great job Paul.

 

[jpm84092]

The website of www.handgunlaw.us was updated today to show CO and NM recognizing the WI permit (license). The reciprocity thing will take a while as other states study the WI statute and decide whether or not the WI requirements meet or exceed their requirements. As expected, the only states shown on the website that recognized the WI License were those who recognize all licenses / permits.

 

[davegran]

The website of www.handgunlaw.us was updated today to show CO and NM recognizing the WI permit (license). The reciprocity thing will take a while as other states study the WI statute and decide whether or not the WI requirements meet or exceed their requirements. As expected, the only states shown on the website that recognized the WI License were those who recognize all licenses / permits.

So the Wisconsin license is accepted in 20 other states now?

 

[jpm84092]

So the Wisconsin license is accepted in 20 other states now?

That does appear to be the correct count.

Link: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/wisconsin.pdf

 

[McX]

other uses too! can be used as a nifty little windshield ice scraper.

 

[apjonas]

Where You Can Carry with a WI CWL - as of 11 December 2011

At least handguns. Other weapons are a mixed bag.

1.....Issuing State.....WI

3.....Constitutional Carry......AK, AZ, VT (WY permitted for WY residents only)

17....Yes..................AR, CO, IA, ID, IN, KY, MI, MO, MT, NC, ND, NM, OK, PA, SD, TN, UT

1.....Should Be as soon as the right bureaucrat wakes up...LA

13....Not Today but Theoretically Possible
with some/much Administrative Action%.....DE, FL, GA, ME, MS, NE, NH, OH, SC, TX, VA, WV, WY

1.....No and Doubtful due to deficiencies in other state's law*...AL

4.....No and Doubtful due to deficiencies in WI law**....KS, MN, NV, WA

4.....No and Probably Not in the forseeable future.....CT, MA, OR, RI

6.....No and Not a Chance this century.................CA, HA, IL, MD, NJ, NY

As of today (or soon) – 22 states (1+3+17+1)
With a little work – 35 states (+13)
With a lot of work/changes in the law - 40 states (+1+4)

%generally requires WI recognition of other state's permit, a "substantially similar" determination or simply recognizing that WI now has a permit system. Some are Resident only and/or 21+ but these are taken care of in WI law.

*AL - no BG check in AL (unconfirmed as the reason)

**in addition to WI recognition are these (unconfirmed) showstoppers which rule out a "substantially similar" determination:
KS - no fingerprints in WI
MN - no live fire in WI
NV - 24x7 LEO access to WI licensee database
WA - no fingerprint-based BG check or mandatory mental health background check in WI

 

[apjonas]

Louisiana

Sorry. Louisiana is ok with DoJ. They just need to get the word down on the bayou. Change the question to Mississippi. Mississippi sez:

45-9-101(19)
Any person holding a valid unrevoked and unexpired license to carry concealed pistols or revolvers issued in another state having requirements substantially similar to those of this state shall have such license recognized by this state to carry concealed pistols or revolvers, provided that the issuing state authorizes license holders from this state to carry concealed pistols or revolvers in such issuing state and the appropriate authority has communicated that fact to the Department of Public Safety.

 

[bnhcomputing]

Just remember, according to the NRA, the reason we had to have a permitting systems was because of the federal GFSZ act.

So your WI permit is NOT VALID in a school zone in any other state. You can be charged with a federal FELONY if you carry in a school zone any state without a permit from that state.

Effectively, that means that ONLY WI residents can carry in urban areas in WI. Non-residents risk a federal violation because WI doesn't have non-resident permits.

 

[apjonas]

Interesting Tidbits

There are 17 states that WI recognizes and that recognize WI.
There are 13 states that WI recognizes that do not recognize WI.
There are 4 states that WI does not recognize but do recognize WI. (AK, MO, OK, SD)
There are 15 states that WI does not recognize and do not recognize WI.
There are 20 states that WI recognizes.
There are 21 states that recognize WI.

For simplicity, VT was included and VA was considered as being recognized. IL was counted as a dual-not except for those states that accept all. DC, PR, VI were not counted.

So, WI is much "fairer" 45/49 (91.836%) vs 4/49 (8.164%) than not in its recognition policy/practice.

 

[apjonas]

But of course

Just remember, according to the NRA, the reason we had to have a permitting systems was because of the federal GFSZ act.

So your WI permit is NOT VALID in a school zone in any other state. You can be charged with a federal FELONY if you carry in a school zone any state without a permit from that state.

Effectively, that means that ONLY WI residents can carry in urban areas in WI. Non-residents risk a federal violation because WI doesn't have non-resident permits.

That is true of any state that does not issue permits to non-residents. I rather doubt that anybody is going to get convicted of a GFSZ violation if carrying with any valid permit recognized by the state in question. Your concern is with the following:

...if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license...

I would think that any decent attorney could make a non-specious argument that a holder of a recognized license is exempt under this provision, regardless of who issued the physical card or whether he is a resident or not of the state. "is licensed" means "is permitted to do." What jury would convict somebody under these circumstances especially when the feds are gunrunning themselves? Well, in NJ maybe..... I doubt that USDoJ would take a chance of their GFSZ being dropkicked by SCOTUS again. However, I always counsel prudence.