what would you do "lost"

[choover]

I typically carry an XDm 40 but I have occasionally carried a 380 in the past. I would feel far more comfortable stepping into a situation with my 40 than with the 380. While I trust the 380 to defend me from a criminal that is in my face, I would not trust it in a situation that the OP described. Between the low round count (6+1), accuracy issues due to having a sub 3" barrel, and overall weak stopping power I simply wouldn't feel comfortable stepping into a situation as the OP described. With my 40 I probably would, but not with my 380 and it all has to do with the limitations of the gun.

To each their own, but what accuracy issues are you talking about? Those issues you are talking about I assume are where training come in and practice. Most people have a heck of a time hitting with a shorter barrel, however the limited accuracy of a shorter barrel is not even a issue at SD ranges unless the person behind the firearm is not well versed in its use. Basically, a 4 inch barrel and a 2.5 or 3 inch barrel gun are going to both be extremely accurate at 10-25 feet, any issues with hitting with a sub 4inch are going to be from a lack of training and not from a firearm itself not being able to maintain accuracy. And 6 rounds is plenty, a spare mag would help but hey. And as for stopping power I would prefer a 45 myself in a SD situation but again, round placement is a lot more important that caliber IMO but that leads us back to training.

My main point is a lot of people seem to not train enough for what they carry, if you practice like you should your confidence will go up.

 

[Shadow Bear]

all u need to do is ask any question u want, just because everydetail is not posted does not mean it did not happen..

Complete and utter waste of bandwidth. You have no credibility with me.

 

[Grapeshot]

Nothing interesting happening in Nevada, you need to troll here?

User/members are not in anyway restricted to only posting in their home state sub-forum and for valid reasons.

 

[rvd4now]

Complete and utter waste of bandwidth. You have no credibility with me.

but yet u keep posting in this thread. If you think the story is changeing please do feel free to point out where i have changed my story.

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yea u found it, its were u assumed and i corrected you..

 

[rvd4now]

I love the 'ignore' function!

Just tried it out, and it works PERFECTLY!

hows that working out for u..

 

[stainless1911]

I have no idea. But the neat factor is there. Actual usefullness is limited but there could be a "niche" I don't see it but it might just might have a usefull application somewhere. More of a novelty IMO.

Add a supressor, a red dot, a crimson trace, strobe and leg drop, and we're good to go. BTW, dont forget that new Zombie ammo.

 

[Aknazer]

To each their own, but what accuracy issues are you talking about? Those issues you are talking about I assume are where training come in and practice. Most people have a heck of a time hitting with a shorter barrel, however the limited accuracy of a shorter barrel is not even a issue at SD ranges unless the person behind the firearm is not well versed in its use. Basically, a 4 inch barrel and a 2.5 or 3 inch barrel gun are going to both be extremely accurate at 10-25 feet, any issues with hitting with a sub 4inch are going to be from a lack of training and not from a firearm itself not being able to maintain accuracy. And 6 rounds is plenty, a spare mag would help but hey. And as for stopping power I would prefer a 45 myself in a SD situation but again, round placement is a lot more important that caliber IMO but that leads us back to training.

My main point is a lot of people seem to not train enough for what they carry, if you practice like you should your confidence will go up.

The Taurus TCP with it's low profile sights and sub 3" barrel is not a gun that I would feel comfortable with in the situation that the OP outlined; which is multiple attackers at range and with a vehicle that you might need to shoot at. And shooting at actual attackers who are also moving is far different than shooting at stationary paper. Now maybe his 380 has better sights that would be easier to acquire a target at long range, but even then with a better sight system I wouldn't trust it for the situation outlined due to the ammo restrictions as outlined (OP didn't have any spare mags on him). Also I would not expect the OPs situation to start at the 10-25' (3-8 yard) range. I would expect it to start closer to the 30-75' (10-25 yard) ranges due to him saying it was across the parking lot.

With enough practice one might feel comfortable to step into the OPs situation with 6+1 shots of 380 with a gun that likely has low profile sights and a short barrel, but I doubt most people would feel comfortable with that situation even if they were doing it save a family member (though I'm sure they wouldn't hesitate in saving the family member; I would just expect them to feel inadequately prepared for it in regards to their gun). This isn't a direct hit on 380s, it's simply saying that in the specific situation as outlined where someone is stepping in to help someone else it simply isn't a gun that many would trust.

 

[Aknazer]

NOTE: It isn't relevant, because GS law typically isn't to protect a citizen from liability in the intent to commit harm, but to protect a citizen from liability in the intent to commit help.


Good Samaritan law as 'cited' in Seinfeld, AFAIK, does not exist. Citing it is completely irrelevant.

I know of NO statute requiring ANY person to prevent harm to another unknown person. That is a choice for each person to make for themselves, and their abilities, and their understanding of events. A decision to not use deadly force in instances such as described by the OP isn't 'wrong.'

While I'm not a lawyer, I would argue that the GS law is relevant as the intent isn't to commit harm to those who appear to be the attackers, it is to try and give aid of the one under attack. The situation as described would authorize deadly force since it appears that a felony is being committed (kidnapping), and should that not end up being the case then I would expect the person to ultimately be cleared of charges as they were attempting to render aid to the person who appeared to be the victim of a kidnapping.

 

[NHCGRPR45]

Add a supressor, a red dot, a crimson trace, strobe and leg drop, and we're good to go. BTW, dont forget that new Zombie ammo.

I actually bought some and it shoot great! The best thing you can say about it though is that it MUST be very effective because I have NEVER seen a zombie!!

 

[Bikenut]

Complete and utter waste of bandwidth. You have no credibility with me.

I made a terrible error by confusing Shadow Bear with a different poster when I responded earlier with a comment wrongly besmirching Shadow Bear's credibility.

I deeply regret having made such a foolish error and I sincerely apologize to you Shadow Bear.

 

[stainless1911]

Know your target...lol.

Who were you shooting at?

 

[Shadow Bear]

I made a terrible error by confusing Shadow Bear with a different poster when I responded earlier with a comment wrongly besmirching Shadow Bear's credibility.

I deeply regret having made such a foolish error and I sincerely apologize to you Shadow Bear.

Apology accepted; no offense taken. Carry on!

 

[Glock9mmOldStyle]

Time to let this thread slip into the dust of time....maybe?

This was a no win situation for the OP in my honest opinion. Given what he was dealt, I think he did the best he could in the situation. Calling the PD and trying to relay as much info as possible to them was the only way to go in my opinion. Any more or less would have been foolish and irresponsible without more information.

Good job Rvd4now for at least calling the PD. In today's society even doing that seems to be a daunting task for many, as they fear having to get involved, testify in court - etc, or are just too busy to worry about the safety of a fellow human being. Often these are the same folks that will risk life and limb to save a cute puppy or kitten from traffic, so hey they can't be that bad

Carry on and may peace be with you all. May skill be with you all if peace is not.

 

[Big Gay Al]

last night at 3am i was at mcdonalds when i notice a lady thrown out a moveing pickup truck. as i sat and watch, as she gets up and runs around the parking lot while this truck tries to hit her."the truck had to guys in it". one guy gets out and grabs the lady by her hair and drags her back to the truck as shes kicking and screaming.

at that point i did not know what to do. my edc is my xdm45 with two extra 13 rd mags. but because i was just getting off of work i only had my "bug" lpc 380. with me.
I did call the police but by the time they got there the truck had left.


my questions is

1) should i have tried to stop them from putting her back in the car.
A) i did not have my xdm with me only my lpc 6+1. what if they pulled a gun
2) should i have pulled my gun in defence of the lady who was being hurt and beat on,.
3) should i have pull my car behind them to block them in intill the police showed up. "because i leave by the airport response time is great"


i ended up just calling the cops who came very fast, i feel really bad becuase if it was my mom,wife,sister ext id what some one to help. i could not sleep all night wondering what if i would of help...


just what if....

Well, first, I always make sure my cell phone is charged before I leave the house. I don't need any dead cell phones when I need it the most. If it's not, I plug it into the car charger. Now, if I was at that McDonald's, I'd go outside, watch what was going on, take some pictures and try to get the trucks's license plate number. Then I'd call 911, give the info to them, go back into McDonald's and order the Angus Mushroom and Swiss burger with a large coke. (No fries, they're bad for me.)

All of this assumes that I don't get any more information that tells me if what's going on is a kidnapping or what. Without more info, it would difficult to act. In my humble opinion that is.

 

[Grapeshot]

Well, first, I always make sure my cell phone is charged before I leave the house. I don't need any dead cell phones when I need it the most. If it's not, I plug it into the car charger. Now, if I was at that McDonald's, I'd go outside, watch what was going on, take some pictures and try to get the trucks's license plate number. Then I'd call 911, give the info to them, go back into McDonald's and order the Angus Mushroom and Swiss burger with a large coke. (No fries, they're bad for me.)

All of this assumes that I don't get any more information that tells me if what's going on is a kidnapping or what. Without more info, it would difficult to act. In my humble opinion that is.

Best answer yet - assumes nothing.

BTW - have you looked at the ingredients in a Angus Mushroom Swiss burger - scary!
http://nobull.mikecallicrate.com/2011/06/11/mcdonalds-angus-mushroom-swiss-burger/

 

[Big Gay Al]

Best answer yet - assumes nothing.

BTW - have you looked at the ingredients in a Angus Mushroom Swiss burger - scary!
http://nobull.mikecallicrate.com/2011/06/11/mcdonalds-angus-mushroom-swiss-burger/

I never look at the ingredients. Just like I'll never go to a meat packing plant to see how hotdogs are made.

All I know is, it tastes fine to me.

 

[choover]

The Taurus TCP with it's low profile sights and sub 3" barrel is not a gun that I would feel comfortable with in the situation that the OP outlined; which is multiple attackers at range and with a vehicle that you might need to shoot at. And shooting at actual attackers who are also moving is far different than shooting at stationary paper. Now maybe his 380 has better sights that would be easier to acquire a target at long range, but even then with a better sight system I wouldn't trust it for the situation outlined due to the ammo restrictions as outlined (OP didn't have any spare mags on him). Also I would not expect the OPs situation to start at the 10-25' (3-8 yard) range. I would expect it to start closer to the 30-75' (10-25 yard) ranges due to him saying it was across the parking lot.

With enough practice one might feel comfortable to step into the OPs situation with 6+1 shots of 380 with a gun that likely has low profile sights and a short barrel, but I doubt most people would feel comfortable with that situation even if they were doing it save a family member (though I'm sure they wouldn't hesitate in saving the family member; I would just expect them to feel inadequately prepared for it in regards to their gun). This isn't a direct hit on 380s, it's simply saying that in the specific situation as outlined where someone is stepping in to help someone else it simply isn't a gun that many would trust.

You assume that there would have been multiple attackers had he intervened. And I have a hard time believing he would have started shooting from 75 feet away had it came to that and I know a lot of people do not have experience with it but most people do not want to be shot and in a lot of instances just pulling the firearm if it seems to be at that point will stop the issue. My point stands, if you don't feel a gun is adequate don't carry it. I just can't imagine a situation where I am armed with anything I chose to carry and decide not to intervene based on which gun I chose to carry. The gun I am carrying will never be the deciding factor, if I am carrying it I know how to use it.

It all comes down to confidence, I bet there are people on here that if they felt the situation warranted intervention would have intervened even if they were unarmed.

 

[choover]

I actually bought some and it shoot great! The best thing you can say about it though is that it MUST be very effective because I have NEVER seen a zombie!!

I killed em all

 

[Grapeshot]

Originally Posted by NHCGRPR45

I actually bought some and it shoot great! The best thing you can say about it though is that it MUST be very effective because I have NEVER seen a zombie!!

I killed em all

Pssst - look behind you!

 

[Shadow Bear]

Pssst - look behind you!

I understand there is a new species that is invisible if you look at it directly. You have to practice aiming with your peripheral vision.