Virginia Beach's Beach Violence - Shootings, Stabbings and Robberies

[Esanders2008]

I had the pleasure of staying in a hotel on the oceanfront while my apartment underwent renovations due to a mold issue. (the complex paid for a very nice hotel!) I OC'd the entire time I was on the beach, and only had one person say something to me about it. He complemented me on exercising my rights! I'm sure I might not get the same response once the weather warms up and the tourists come to town. :uhoh:

 

[Grapeshot]

I had the pleasure of staying in a hotel on the oceanfront while my apartment underwent renovations due to a mold issue. (the complex paid for a very nice hotel!) I OC'd the entire time I was on the beach, and only had one person say something to me about it. He complemented me on exercising my rights! I'm sure I might not get the same response once the weather warms up and the tourists come to town. :uhoh:

Warm weather is the bane of the dark side and presents [strike]golden[/strike] platinum opportunities to expand the education and knowledge base of the misinformed and less fortunate.

Do a good deed today and everyday - turn a fence sitter or anti into a friend.
At the least [strike]neuter[/strike] neutralize them

 

[Glockster]

No real surprise -- update on local news and paper all said that no arrests have been made (too difficult identifying anyone - including the shooting that happened less than 30 feet from a group of police officers) and conflicting reports about when the city first learned of the 30-40,000 that were expected to come. And its been said that most of the events were held on private property, so no permits required there. Store owners interviewed said it was the worst most have seen since the riots of 1989 with stores being looted, pedestrians being molested, open drinking and drug usage and of course the previously mentioned shootings, stabbings and robberies.

But here's the most important message, IMHO, to come out of this -- nobody has said a word about what might have been done to prevent this and in fact its pretty much been admitted that it is the kind of thing that could happen again, anytime.

So my own takeaway is that if you visit the beach, you'd better be prepared to protect yourself and your family because from the City's perspective, you're on your own.

 

[Grapeshot]

--snip--

So my own takeaway is that if you visit the beach, you'd better be prepared to protect yourself and your family because from the City's perspective, you're on your own.

Indeed and even SCOTUS has been reported to agree, very limited exceptions.
http://gunssavelives.net/blog/supre...e-have-no-duty-to-protect-the-general-public/

 

[skidmark]

"I think it's still fun," Jackson said. "It happens when you get a lot of people together this stuff happens everywhere you go. It's like that."

There ^ is your problem.

Stuff just happens. Nobody is responsible for controling themselves.

Used to be, somebody's momma would slap a child up side the head if they tried that excuse. Then came the lecture about not caring what "they" did or did not do, "but you are going to act like a civilized human being." Leastways, that's how I remember it, but my head is still ringing so I could have the words slightly jumbled. I also seem to remember something about "just because all your hoodlum friends are doing it does not mean I am going to allow you to do it."

There is some of that "personal attention" lost when the village, instead of the parents, starts raising children.

And the schools are all about making sure each kid has self esteem, which appears to be different from self respect.

BTW - This is not just about black kids - it happens with every race and "culture". We've even seen wilding among the Amish.

stay safe.

 

[mpguy]

Re: VA 'Beach week' draws black crowd - and violence.

There ^ is your problem.

Stuff just happens. Nobody is responsible for controling themselves.

Used to be, somebody's momma would slap a child up side the head if they tried that excuse. Then came the lecture about not caring what "they" did or did not do, "but you are going to act like a civilized human being." Leastways, that's how I remember it, but my head is still ringing so I could have the words slightly jumbled. I also seem to remember something about "just because all your hoodlum friends are doing it does not mean I am going to allow you to do it."

There is some of that "personal attention" lost when the village, instead of the parents, starts raising children.

And the schools are all about making sure each kid has self esteem, which appears to be different from self respect.

BTW - This is not just about black kids - it happens with every race and "culture". We've even seen wilding among the Amish.

stay safe.

Amen!

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[45acpForMe]

The tough one with the concealed knife regulation is the Bowie Knife. According to Wikipedia:

...

Dang if that don't cover most of the knives in my collection that I would carry for self protection....

It is worse than you wrote because of this vague line: (iii) weapon, including a weapon of like kind

Have fun trying to explain to the officer/judge that your knife really isn't of like kind! About the only win I had heard of was when a guy had a steak knife and it was ruled it wasn't "of like kind".

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308.1

3" or less in K-12 schools,

Be careful here! 3 inches is too long on school property!!! I am pissed because there are so many good knives with 3" blades but in VA that is a no no on school property!

§ 18.2-308.1. Possession of firearm, stun weapon, or other weapon on school
property prohibited.A. If any person possesses any (i) stun weapon as defined in this section;
(ii) knife, except a pocket knife having a folding metal blade of less than
three inches ...
For the purposes of this paragraph, "weapon" includes a knife having a metal
blade of three inches or longer


Funny, about two years ago I started a thread with the same information in it about knives and the moderators deleted it! I guess it's ok if its within a thread. :-( I wish we could get preemption for all weapons and a CWP at least. Some of these laws are just plain stupid and as we see with firearms the only people it disarms are law abiding people. :-(

 

[peter nap]

Lord....got bombarded with posts while I was out:lol:

Local knife laws:

Virginia is a Dillon rule state so remember that no locality can pass a law that is more severe than the state law unless given specific authority under the Constitution or General Assembly.

That means almost all the local laws quoted, are unenforceable.

Dan....Bear spray is just very hot pepper. The Feds have set limits on the concentration in heat units that can be used against humans. Bear spray generally exceeds these limits and personally, I don't care what the Fed's want.

An ASP is collapsible so it's compact. I agree a full size baton is more useful but also harder to carry. The ASP is standard for cops these days.

 

[Blk97F150]

I've been sprayed 12 times and it sucked each and every time.

Can we make it 13?? We can get Peter to video tape it..... for 'instructional purposes only' of course...

 

[45acpForMe]

...
Virginia is a Dillon rule state so remember that no locality can pass a law that is more severe than the state law unless given specific authority under the Constitution or General Assembly.

That means almost all the local laws quoted, are unenforceable. ....

So this is probably a case of, "You can beat the rap but won't beat the ride!" ???

I had a Hampton Police officer tell me that for knives he had a four finger rule. If the knife was longer than the width of his four fingers he would take you downtown. I failed to read that in the law.

 

[peter nap]

So this is probably a case of, "You can beat the rap but won't beat the ride!" ???

I had a Hampton Police officer tell me that for knives he had a four finger rule. If the knife was longer than the width of his four fingers he would take you downtown. I failed to read that in the law.

Pretty much except the ride will consist of a summons, unless he wants to break another law and take you to a magistrate, who probably won't write the warrant.

Cops are starting to find out that ride can get real expensive.

The new phrase is "You can give me a ride now and pay me later"

 

[ProShooter]

Can we make it 13?? We can get Peter to video tape it..... for 'instructional purposes only' of course...

I don't want to hog all the fun. 12 is plenty.

I'm willing to share with the next guy.

 

[45acpForMe]

Pretty much except the ride will consist of a summons, unless he wants to break another law and take you to a magistrate, who probably won't write the warrant.

Cops are starting to find out that ride can get real expensive.

The new phrase is "You can give me a ride now and pay me later"

Unfortunately the cost is on the taxpayer and not the offending officer. I would support a bill that says that 50% of any monetary award has to come out of the paycheck of the offending officer(s) to be paid in full within 5 years.

IMHO most officers wouldn't care even if he is going to be slapped on the wrist. He has no skin in the game at least with the way that the union and other officers cover for them. Add monetary awards out of his salary and he may start acting like a peace officer again.

 

[2a4all]

Unfortunately the cost is on the taxpayer and not the offending officer. I would support a bill that says that 50% of any monetary award has to come out of the paycheck of the offending officer(s) to be paid in full within 5 years.

IMHO most officers wouldn't care even if he is going to be slapped on the wrist. He has no skin in the game at least with the way that the union and other officers cover for them. Add monetary awards out of his salary and he may start acting like a peace officer again.

If the municipality (taxpayer) does have to pay, the LE higherups should have to answer for it. The cop is (likely) only following the departmental policies as s/he understands them (like the sarge said). I recall how outraged several Norfolk City Council members were when they found out (via the press?) that the city shelled out $10,000 because some cops didn't like BMWAG episodes.

 

[peter nap]

Unfortunately the cost is on the taxpayer and not the offending officer.

It's true that the locality does get sued but they have insurance to cover it in most cases...The individual officers are being brought in as defendants also.

To Paraphrase the Va Beach PD....It's a Constitutional thing, we'll make you understand.

 

[Glockster]

Arrest reports now provided indicate that there were 148 arrested and "most" were between 18-25. More than half (no exact number given) were from Hampton Roads, and about 20% were from elsewhere in Virginia and the remainder were from out of state.

Reports have included quite a few quotes from locals who freely admit that there have been smaller scale problem like this ongoing down at the beach for years and that many have long since recognized that you should avoid the area altogether. Heck, even one of our City Council members (who owns the Dairy Queen at the oceanfront) warned his kids to not go down there last weekend.

But the priceless bit of information was provided thanks to the City Manager, Jim Spore, who said: "Anytime you get that large of a group of people together, you're going to have instances like we did." So straight from the City, anytime you have a holiday or special event in VA BH you'll have shootings, stabbings, robberies, looting from stores, molesting of pedestrians, rampant drunkenness and open drug usage.

Somehow I suspect that none of this is going to make it into the travel brochures.

 

[Esanders2008]

You say "such places" and "such ... incidences," which would those be, please, places and incidences? There are many demonstrations that strict laws prevent nothing - only the law abiding abide the laws.

+1000

 

[peter nap]

Hard to believe individuals carry guns at such places. Are you going for fun or something else. Strict laws must be there to prevent such horrible incidences:banghead::banghead:

Captain....There be Trolls!

 

[Glockster]

Captain....There be Trolls!

Okay, I just outright stole that pic and am going to use it the very first appropriate opportunity! :banana:

 

[Citizen]

Hard to believe individuals carry guns at such places. Are you going for fun or something else. Strict laws must be there to prevent such horrible incidences:banghead::banghead:

Yeah! She wore a dress and heels to a wedding because she wanted to shoot the place up!! Dresses and heels are always better for a gunfight and fast getaway. That's why all the women competitors to IDPA wear dresses and heels to competitions.

Bwahahhahahahahahahahahaaa!!





Also, need more of them strict laws. You know which I mean. Those laws that are written in strict ink to make them self-enforcing. Can't have important statutes deciding whether to enforce themselves. Best to write those kinda laws in bold-face, maybe even all caps so they look really, really strict.

Bwahahahahahahaaha!! What a moron.