georg jetson
Regular Member
btw, just for perspective, here's what the penal code in my state says
is it somewhat vague, etc? sure. such laws pretty much have to be. ime, it's USUALLY dealt with reasonably by the cops. CPS? ok, they have some issues but overall they do a decent job
obviously, like most other aspects of the law, it's a balancing test
what amuses me is how many kids think mere physical discipline is child abuse
had a teen girl call police a few months ago claiming child abuse
her mom slapped her across the face. why ? because daughter called mom a * - * - * - *
daughter cheek was quite red from the slap
she thought mom should be at least warned not to do it again
instead i told her - "dont' call your mom that word again!"
clearly, that was a REASONABLE form of discipline
: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.16.100
RCW 9A.16.100
Use of force on children — Policy — Actions presumed unreasonable.
It is the policy of this state to protect children from assault and abuse and to encourage parents, teachers, and their authorized agents to use methods of correction and restraint of children that are not dangerous to the children. However, the physical discipline of a child is not unlawful when it is reasonable and moderate and is inflicted by a parent, teacher, or guardian for purposes of restraining or correcting the child. Any use of force on a child by any other person is unlawful unless it is reasonable and moderate and is authorized in advance by the child's parent or guardian for purposes of restraining or correcting the child.
The following actions are presumed unreasonable when used to correct or restrain a child: (1) Throwing, kicking, burning, or cutting a child; (2) striking a child with a closed fist; (3) shaking a child under age three; (4) interfering with a child's breathing; (5) threatening a child with a deadly weapon; or (6) doing any other act that is likely to cause and which does cause bodily harm greater than transient pain or minor temporary marks. The age, size, and condition of the child and the location of the injury shall be considered when determining whether the bodily harm is reasonable or moderate. This list is illustrative of unreasonable actions and is not intended to be exclusive.
[1986 c 149 § 1.]
Yes... the states have usurped power by attempting to define abuse. All that needs to happen now is to "re-define" which will happen as the attitude of the populace moves further toward government independence.
The most difficult part of this is how the state polices this type of thing. The public schools are the tools being used... children being interrogated(counciled) without the parent's permission or knowledge.
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