Trainers wanting mandatory training

[HandyHamlet]

I think Grabowski was the name (pl) of the creatures in Tremors.

 

[XDFDE45]

Okay, so Grabowski is the owner? Or another employee?

Employee. The owner's name is John IIRC.

 

[XDFDE45]

I think Grabowski was the name (pl) of the creatures in Tremors.

Graboid.

 

[GlockMeisterG21]

I would be that employee of shooters. As of last Monday I no longer work there. Eric Grabowski is the Manager of Shooters and Kevin Neugent is the owner.

Eric is a personal friend of mine and a fantastic person. The owner is something else and most if not all of the policies that people dislike about Shooters were his doing.

FYI Eric was in favor of mandatory training before he became a trainer. Do not lump him in with those special interest groups. It was always something he was in favor of and we've had many discussions on this topic. It's a topic I've always been on the fence about and I understand his reasons. Please realize that the majority of Wisconsinites aren't as well educated on the law as some of those here and on arfcom. Those are the people that really need training.

 

[Trip20]

FYI Eric was in favor of mandatory training before he became a trainer. Do not lump him in with those special interest groups. It was always something he was in favor of...

That he had a poor opinion prior to becoming more educated on a subject and that he retained that poor opinion only makes his stance less virtuous.

It's a topic I've always been on the fence about and I understand his reasons. Please realize that the majority of Wisconsinites aren't as well educated on the law as some of those here and on arfcom. Those are the people that really need training.

No one will argue that training is bad. Comments such as this hint that some feel training is bad or otherwise not needed. That is incorrect. The difference is that people like Eric (and possibly you... on the fence) believe the Government should mandate training rather than allowing free people to exercise personal responsibility.

That of course is a separate issue from the inflammatory verbiage used by Eric. When someone uses rhetoric such as that, and that person is perceived to be an "insider" or member of the same community about which they speak, in my opinion it compounds the damage that those words do. Reminds me of Jim Zumbo's idiotic statements about black rifles.

 

[HandyHamlet]

Graboid.

You know Kevin Bacon was in that movie.

I would be that employee of shooters. As of last Monday I no longer work there. Eric Grabowski is the Manager of Shooters and Kevin Neugent is the owner.

Welcome.

FYI Eric was in favor of mandatory training before he became a trainer. Do not lump him in with those special interest groups...Those are the people that really need training.

Add everything Trip20 said here.

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Everyone needs a license to drive. Yet that didn't stop accidents. We should ban cars. Think of the children.

Cops have training. Yet they still stuff pistols down their cracks while shopping in malls. We should ban cops too.

 

[Interceptor_Knight]

....FYI Eric was in favor of mandatory training before he became a trainer. Do not lump him in with those special interest groups. ..

As a friend you should suggest to him that he not make statements to the media regarding Constitutional Carry being unsafe to the general public and the carrier unless he truly means it. If he means it then he should not be surprised when these kind of statements are met with strong objection by those of us actively fighting to maintain the integrity of our Civil Liberty to Bear Arms.

 

[oak1971]

I would be that employee of shooters. As of last Monday I no longer work there. Eric Grabowski is the Manager of Shooters and Kevin Neugent is the owner.

Eric is a personal friend of mine and a fantastic person. The owner is something else and most if not all of the policies that people dislike about Shooters were his doing.

FYI Eric was in favor of mandatory training before he became a trainer. Do not lump him in with those special interest groups. It was always something he was in favor of and we've had many discussions on this topic. It's a topic I've always been on the fence about and I understand his reasons. Please realize that the majority of Wisconsinites aren't as well educated on the law as some of those here and on arfcom. Those are the people that really need training.

Tell them both that they have cost the business money with their stance against our rights.

 

[McNutty]

That he had a poor opinion prior to becoming more educated on a subject and that he retained that poor opinion only makes his stance less virtuous.



No one will argue that training is bad. Comments such as this hint that some feel training is bad or otherwise not needed. That is incorrect. The difference is that people like Eric (and possibly you... on the fence) believe the Government should mandate training rather than allowing free people to exercise personal responsibility.

That of course is a separate issue from the inflammatory verbiage used by Eric. When someone uses rhetoric such as that, and that person is perceived to be an "insider" or member of the same community about which they speak, in my opinion it compounds the damage that those words do. Reminds me of Jim Zumbo's idiotic statements about black rifles.

Agree.... The criticism doesn't come from the point of view (at least I don't think) that training is a bad thing. The nice thing about the training requirement under the statute is that it was broad (prior to the DOJ getting a hold of it) that it didn't take a one size fits all approach. It all comes down to personal responsibility in the end. Chief Flynn in Milwaukee thought the training requirement was far too weak. Yet he has an officer discharging a handgun in Southridge Mall. Government mandated training won't fix stupid. I also know people that went through six hours of training and can now apply for the license. If I were them, based on their level of experience (total newbies), I wouldn't feel comfortable carrying at this point without spending a lot more time at the range - one has never even fired a handgun before, yet he met the "government mandated" training.

 

[Herr Heckler Koch]

Committee suspends training requirement for concealed weapons

Committee suspends training requirement for concealed weapons
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/133370223.html

 

[HandyHamlet]

Committee suspends training requirement for concealed weapons

The horror. Does no one care for the children???

 

[MilProGuy]

I am a certified NRA instructor. The NRA teaches that training demand will go up in proportion to the right being exercised going up. This means the more people who carry, and have easy access to carry; the more opportunity for training. So the less restrictions the more you make as a trainer ... and they are right! Sure I want to make some money as a trainer ... I made the investment in time and education I should make some money on my investment. BUT I will never support mandatory training. If I do my job as not only an instructor but as a gun owner then every person I meet should decide to learn more. Heck I pay to go to classes to learn more. NRA classes=check, AACFI=yep, massad ayoob=oh yeah .... learn, learn and keep learning ... then practice twice as much!

I have never met an NRA or AACFI trainer who was in it just for the money. Your mileage shouldn't vary!

Thank you for taking the time and investing the money to become a certified firearms instructor. As with most things in life which involve training, there is a fee involved; and most recognize the need to charge a fee for such a service.

Keep up the good work!