This ammo shortage is getting to be outrageous!

[WalkingWolf]

When people stop obsessing over ammo shortages, there will be no more be shortages. It is a good time to learn to make do. Black powder is still available so are antique firearm replicas(though there prices have gone up). There is a certain joy shooting from the dark side(black powder). There is also airsoft for plinking if that is the intent on buying ammo, and not hoarding, or gouging. This also saves people with no place to shoot from having to suffer crowded public ranges.

 

[Back2TheBasicz]

Just bought some 9mm Ammo

http://www.9mmammo.com/ has a bit of every ammo and most in stock. Little overpriced but when you really want or need some ammo and can't find it. I don't mind paying a bit more.

 

[bunnspecial]

Back over the summer, I "saw the writing on the wall" and started stocking up on calibers I shoot as my finances permitted. Usually this translated into 4-5 boxes of 38 special, 9mm, or 22LR a month(~$100 a month).

Even though my supply isn't where I'd like for it to be(especially not for 22LR), I still have several months worth of ammo at my usual rate of consumption. By being patient, I've even been able to add several boxes of 38 special and the occasional box of 22LR and 9mm.

I certainly don't fault people with excess stock for taking advantage of the prevailing market conditions. If anything, blame the buyers for paying the prices. Those of you complaining about prices should be happy that some of the folks who have been sitting on tens of thousands of rounds of .22 for years now are letting some go, as if anything putting more ammunition on the market than the manufacturers are able to produce drives prices down. The going rate at last month's gun show in Lexington, KY was around $50-60 for a box of .22LR. The folks who had it priced in this range managed to sell out within the first few hours of the show, and didn't take any home with them.

 

[Firearms Iinstuctor]

Cutting back is a good idea if you can't not replace what you have.

I decide to cut back from a few hundred rounds a week to around hundred a week to make sure I don't have to buy during this period of hyper ammo costs.

I haven't brought any ammo from about November first don't plan on buying any soon.

Well have to wait to see what is going to happen.

 

[ADobbs1989]

What's the point of hoarding tens of thousands of rounds of .22LR anyway? It's not like it's a very useful round in a war type situation. Hoarding is the root problem anyway, not all of us are looking for ammo to hoard..some of us still enjoy a day outside shooting with our kids and friends. But I guess I'm stupid for not stockpiling a fairly useless round.

 

[eye95]

What's the point in one carrying around a firearm openly instead of getting a license and covering it up?

Who cares what the point is, whether it is carrying firearms or buying ammo? Folks get to make their own decisions regarding lawful behavior and don't need to answer to any of us.

 

[beebobby]

How are folks expected to rise up against the gubmint without an adequate supply of 22lr.? It's infringement I tell you. When you are facing down that A10 you will wish you had picked up that last brick of mini mags. (Do I even need the /s?)
Personally, I think it's wanna be dealers buying everything up to sell at gun shows. Ah, Capitalism!

 

[PFC HALE]

lol, so being in college means I'm a kid?

How old do you think I am?

By the way, you make it personal when your self-justification consists entirely of blaming me for what you imagine to be a lack of foresight.

You know what my response is to that? Wait for it...

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funny thing is kid, i wasnt blaming you nor was i replying to you. i didnt even put a quote from you in with my post. you obviously feel guilt in being one with no foresight to see this by responding to what i originally said.

and the virtual finger thing... lol childish work there son.

carry on and grow up!

 

[eye95]

Isn't the first time, won't be the last time, he thought someone was talking about him when the post was about something else entirely. Methinks the poster doth protest TOO much!

 

[marshaul]

funny thing is kid, i wasnt blaming you nor was i replying to you. i didnt even put a quote from you in with my post. you obviously feel guilt in being one with no foresight to see this by responding to what i originally said.

OK, so you were blaming the OP:

your own fault for not being prepared.

And, by proxy, anyone who wants to join him in complaining.

and the virtual finger thing... lol childish work there son.

No more childish than hoarding .22 LR.

The only reason it's hard to buy .22 LR is because of hoarders... it's not going to be banned, the government isn't buying it up, it's not even a great survival round (ask Chris McCandless), etc etc etc.

From my post in the other thread:

It's really just not that simple.

Ordinarily, a free market is subject to gradual shifts in demand, and supply naturally adjusts to compensate. The value of an object is therefore based fundamentally on the cost to get it to market. If high demand distorts the price too far from this baseline, competitors will even out the supply to compensate. Yes, it takes a free market to actually assign prices to a vague notion of "fundamentally based on the cost it takes to get it to market", but your notion of supply and demand being a zero-sum game is counterproductive at best, not to mention basically wrong.

Yes, in some situations, supply may rapidly dry up, and the cost will rise. But guess what happens then? If the item is truly a necessity, some other equivalent (or nearly equivalent) good will take its place.

Also, in a "free market", the government is not a major player in the market (it doesn't monopolize the supply to themselves, or even a portion of it), and it doesn't artificially distort it either with threats of regulation or bans. That's not a free market at all.

So, first of all, even from a purely free-marketeer perspective, you're simplifying.

But, there's more. Let's not forget we're talking about the trappings of a right here. No, I'm not suggesting any sort of socialism for gun ownership. What I am saying is, if you really value the right to keep and bear arms as a right (and the preservation thereof), then you will – for selfish reasons if nothing else – not actually advocate a situation where those desiring to get into the exercise and practice of the right are deterred, possibly forever, by prohibitive expense.

When I hear you not just justifying, but advocating, such an outcome, to me it smacks of elitism: all the talk about a right available to all is just that: talk.

My guess is, the big retailers who aren't gouging are looking to the future: quick profits might be had now, but at what cost? Is the cost of a thriving next generation of shooters worth it, just for a few more percent on top, or a bigger stash?

Not if you care about the right. If all you care about if your own ability to keep your guns, and die defending them when government inevitably bans them without a thriving gun culture to oppose that, then go ahead: hoard, and gouge.

The .22 LR hoarding, it's selfish and short-sighted... to the point of being childish.

I think the "kid" made his case better than either of you has thus far. And he got a good laugh at the ASCII middle finger while doing it, for bonus points. So I'll "eye95 on" for now.

 

[Firearms Iinstuctor]

What's the point of hoarding tens of thousands of rounds of .22LR anyway? It's not like it's a very useful round in a war type situation. Hoarding is the root problem anyway, not all of us are looking for ammo to hoard..some of us still enjoy a day outside shooting with our kids and friends. But I guess I'm stupid for not stockpiling a fairly useless round.

Not useful a suffed 22 would be very useful in tactical situation. A 22lf to the head seems very useful. Its one of the best rounds for gathering small to medium animals to eat.

It is one of the best rounds to train new shooters with. Its use to be very easy to burn up several thousands of rounds in a weekend of training people to shoot. Now with the shortage one has to be a bit more conserving. Do you have any idea the amount of 22lf a 8 week long 4H shooting program can go through. Buying several 5000 round cases at a time gets you a better price or used to.

Not every body thinks that a box or two a year is a lot of shooting. Some of use live in places where stepping out the door an shooting a couple hundred rounds a couple times a week is normal.

 

[PFC HALE]

OK, so you were blaming the OP:



And, by proxy, anyone who wants to join him in complaining.



No more childish than hoarding .22 LR.

The only reason it's hard to buy .22 LR is because of hoarders... it's not going to be banned, the government isn't buying it up, it's not even a great survival round (ask Chris McCandless), etc etc etc.

From my post in the other thread:




The .22 LR hoarding, it's selfish and short-sighted... to the point of being childish.

I think the "kid" made his case better than either of you has thus far. And he got a good laugh at the ASCII middle finger while doing it, for bonus points. So I'll "eye95 on" for now.

lmao, do you need a hug son? you seem to be emotionally disturbed by trivial things. and yes the ASCii finger was an attempt to illicit a response of a negative nature that failed. i find it humerous that you hide behind the internet and do such childish things.

thusly i will take my 7000rds of .22 ammo that i accumulated over the course of 2 years at normal prices a brick at a time to myself and laugh at you for not acting ahead of the curve when you had the chance.

have a great day in school

 

[marshaul]

Not useful a suffed 22 would be very useful in tactical situation. A 22lf to the head seems very useful. Its one of the best rounds for gathering small to medium animals to eat.

It is one of the best rounds to train new shooters with. Its use to be very easy to burn up several thousands of rounds in a weekend of training people to shoot. Now with the shortage one has to be a bit more conserving. Do you have any idea the amount of 22lf a 8 week long 4H shooting program can go through. Buying several 5000 round cases at a time gets you a better price or used to.

Not every body thinks that a box or two a year is a lot of shooting. Some of use live in places where stepping out the door an shooting a couple hundred rounds a couple times a week is normal.

First of all, if you think in a genuine survival situation animals will be romping around, predator-free like they do today, at the very least across the entire eastern United States and near any urban or suburban areas, you're fantasizing. The minute you introduce real human predation (and I don't mean a hunting season here and there), game will become scarce.

If you think you're going to be culling enough game to feed a family with a dwindling stash of .22, you're fantasizing. Chris McCandless thought the same thing, and found out the hard way (by dying) that all the squirrels and rabbits you can shoot won't keep you going.

You can't (aren't going to) reload .22, it's not effective on anything above small game at anything beyond short range, and it would suck against zombies (not to mention living humans).

Fail.

I'd pretty much take anything else.

 

[marshaul]

lmao, do you need a hug son? you seem to be emotionally disturbed by trivial things. and yes the ASCii finger was an attempt to illicit a response of a negative nature that failed. i find it humerous that you hide behind the internet and do such childish things.

thusly i will take my 7000rds of .22 ammo that i accumulated over the course of 2 years at normal prices a brick at a time to myself and laugh at you for not acting ahead of the curve when you had the chance.

have a great day in school

Hah. How old are you? :lol:

It's not my first educational rodeo. I have a feeling...

By the way, you calling me "childish" means I succeeded at "illiciting" (sic) "a response of a negative nature", pretty much by definition (although that was not actually my intent). Now, if you had laughed at what was obviously semi-serious ribbing, then you could say I failed.

 

[ADobbs1989]

Not useful a suffed 22 would be very useful in tactical situation. A 22lf to the head seems very useful. Its one of the best rounds for gathering small to medium animals to eat.

It is one of the best rounds to train new shooters with. Its use to be very easy to burn up several thousands of rounds in a weekend of training people to shoot. Now with the shortage one has to be a bit more conserving. Do you have any idea the amount of 22lf a 8 week long 4H shooting program can go through. Buying several 5000 round cases at a time gets you a better price or used to.

Not every body thinks that a box or two a year is a lot of shooting. Some of use live in places where stepping out the door an shooting a couple hundred rounds a couple times a week is normal.

I said in a war situation. It's not as if *if* a war broke out the ones were fighting against is going to be unprotected. A .22LR isn't going to do jack against any sort of modern armor, so since it's not useful for war your saying it's useful to kill small game. Sure, maybe it is...but exactly how long are you planning on living off of small game? Not very long I predict. I have no issue with people who buy 10k rounds of .22LR if they have plans to shoot it, that's it's intended purpose. I have a problem with the people that are buying 10k+ rounds of .22 with no intention of shooting it, and still buy every single brick they come across, again with no intentions of shooting it.

 

[Firearms Iinstuctor]

Son Iam sure I am old enough be be your father unless your a 40 plus year old college student.

I been hunting and kiling things large and small with a 22 rimfire for well over 50 years.

I know perfecly well what 22 rf will do to humans and deer size animals. Seen them both shot and killed with a well placed 22 round dead is dead. If I can kill a 1500lb steer or a 300lb hog with a will place 22 round I don't think some one will walk away from one placed properly.

No the idea is not to live soley off the game one shoots but it sure helps to have a little meat to go along with the garden stuff. Works good for protecting yout garden form the varmints also.

See what happens to your meat when you shoot that ground hog,rabbit or other small game with your 5.56 round not much left to eat. But then traps and snare are a better idea and I have caught a lot with both.

 

[PFC HALE]

Hah. How old are you? :lol:

It's not my first educational rodeo. I have a feeling...

By the way, you calling me "childish" means I succeeded at "illiciting" (sic) "a response of a negative nature", pretty much by definition (although that was not actually my intent). Now, if you had laughed at what was obviously semi-serious ribbing, then you could say I failed.

lol... *yawn....*

 

[ADobbs1989]

That's the thing about modern protective armor. It generally covers all of those "well placed" areas. I never said a .22 couldn't kill a human, I said in a war scenario they are going to be for the most part useless. Also, I generally do not care how old you are, it does not increase the strength of your argument. There are plenty of ignorant old people, just look at our government.

 

[marshaul]

Son Iam sure I am old enough be be your father unless your a 40 plus year old college student.

First of all, don't call me "son". You aren't my father, son.

Secondly, I was talking to PFC Hale. I rather doubt he's older than I. He latched on to "college student" far too quickly... I am not just out of high school, to say the least.

Also, ad hominem attacks based on age are no more mature than my middle finger, so there's that, too. I suspect he's about my age, at most.

See what happens to your meat when you shoot that ground hog,rabbit or other small game with your 5.56 round not much left to eat. But then traps and snare are a better idea and I have caught a lot with both.

Now we're talking.

I didn't intend to suggest that a .22 would be totally useless, only that it's of marginal value in a survival situation compared to basically every caliber. Mostly because it isn't reloadable.

Heck, a pellet gun would be more useful. I can kill squirrels and rabbits all day with a couple that I have, and it doesn't take high technology to keep one of those in lead for the next century. Unlike a .22 LR, which is a caliber quite dependent upon infrastructure for its supply.

I just find all this notion of stashing silly. It would be far more useful to be able to make ammo. Otherwise all your preparation is for squat if the scenario lasts longer than you've stocked for.

Unless you're talking something short and brutal, in which case we get back to .22's marginal performance in combat settings.

 

[PFC HALE]

First of all, don't call me "son". You aren't my father, son.

Secondly, I was talking to PFC Hale. I rather doubt he's older than I. He latched on to "college student" far too quickly... I am not just out of high school, to say the least.

Also, ad hominem attacks based on age are no more mature than my middle finger, so there's that, too. I suspect he's about my age, at most.



Now we're talking.

I didn't intend to suggest that a .22 would be totally useless, only that it's of marginal value in a survival situation compared to basically every caliber. Mostly because it isn't reloadable.

Heck, a pellet gun would be more useful. I can kill squirrels and rabbits all day with a couple that I have, and it doesn't take high technology to keep one of those in lead for the next century. Unlike a .22 LR, which is a caliber quite dependent upon infrastructure for its supply.

I just find all this notion of stashing silly. It would be far more useful to be able to make ammo. Otherwise all your preparation is for squat if the scenario lasts longer than you've stocked for.

Unless you're talking something short and brutal, in which case we get back to .22's marginal performance in combat settings.

listen here son...