The term Tea Party

[PrayingForWar]

When I use the term "right", I am referring to the "extreme left = total government control and extreme right = anarchy". The "right" you speak of is the so called "religious right". I agree that they are equally as tyrannical. There's always some "do-gooder" out there trying to get in people's business... using the government to do it of course.

"Religious Right" is a misnomer. They're still leftwing. I don't care if they promote "laissez-faire" free markets, they still endorse centralized government regulation of behavior that is instictively privately conducted behind closed doors. If they oppose gambling, they should run for town council, enact laws and keep their mouths shut when their people go to the next town to play slots (or get abortions).

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Ok, that's the sort of knee-jerk crap a teenage pot head spouts off. I was one, so I know. I have seen first hand and lost friends (they DIED) due to unregulated illegal drug use. It makes little sence to me to have unregulated legal drug use as a solution to all the crime addiction causes. Alcohol consumption has it's problems, cocaine/meth/herion are completely different demons. You don't "just legalize it" and make the crime associated with it, or the cost in human life go away.

The crimes associated with alcohol during prohibition were completely market related. You did not have murders due to drug related psycosis, increased burglaries by addicts, or hordes of people who could no longer function in society on a welfare system that should not exist.





The left will NEVER endorse a man who promises to weaken federal power even if he promises to hand out free weed.

Wow how old are your friends that they died of unregulated drug use? I suppose the market crashed and our economy is bad because of unregulated capitalism?

You need some cites because the crimes related to modern "drug" use are market related too. The scare tactics and demagoguery you mention is a very small part of the problem. Most people die in the violence of trading in an illegal. Drug test welfare recipients.

Would there be some problems? Yes there always are in liberated free society, but that is the price you pay for freedom. The problems are less than spending billions of dollars on a loosing drug war, the violence and loss of life in our inner cities, and the making of criminals because of someone's personal indulgence.

And from what I read these laws and rules and violence by our government has not decreased the percentage of people who use these chemicals, so it hasn't done much toward controlling what you are so worried about at all but may have made it much worse.

 

[georg jetson]

"Religious Right" is a misnomer. They're still leftwing. I don't care if they promote "laissez-faire" free markets, they still endorse centralized government regulation of behavior that is instictively privately conducted behind closed doors. If they oppose gambling, they should run for town council, enact laws and keep their mouths shut when their people go to the next town to play slots (or get abortions).

Um... that's exactly the point I was making...

 

[Daylen]

Ok, that's the sort of knee-jerk crap a teenage pot head spouts off. I was one, so I know. I have seen first hand and lost friends (they DIED) due to unregulated illegal drug use. It makes little sence to me to have unregulated legal drug use as a solution to all the crime addiction causes. Alcohol consumption has it's problems, cocaine/meth/herion are completely different demons. You don't "just legalize it" and make the crime associated with it, or the cost in human life go away.

The crimes associated with alcohol during prohibition were completely market related. You did not have murders due to drug related psycosis, increased burglaries by addicts, or hordes of people who could no longer function in society on a welfare system that should not exist.





The left will NEVER endorse a man who promises to weaken federal power even if he promises to hand out free weed.

I will always choose liberty, personal responsibility and constitutionality over "for the good of the children". I don't have knee-jerk reactions; only well thought out positions. I have never and will never use any drugs currently listed as illicit for purposes of intoxication, its not my thing; liberty and a less intrusive smaller government is what I'm about. Please leave off the personal attacks. In the 1700s and early 1800s drug use was as unregulated as it gets. Mr. Franklin loved inventing things, having wild sex parties with French women, and using a nice assortment of drugs.

 

[PrayingForWar]

Wow how old are your friends that they died of unregulated drug use? I suppose the market crashed and our economy is bad because of unregulated capitalism?

You need some cites because the crimes related to modern "drug" use are market related too. The scare tactics and demagoguery you mention is a very small part of the problem. Most people die in the violence of trading in an illegal. Drug test welfare recipients.

Would there be some problems? Yes there always are in liberated free society, but that is the price you pay for freedom. The problems are less than spending billions of dollars on a loosing drug war, the violence and loss of life in our inner cities, and the making of criminals because of someone's personal indulgence.

And from what I read these laws and rules and violence by our government has not decreased the percentage of people who use these chemicals, so it hasn't done much toward controlling what you are so worried about at all but may have made it much worse.

I don't feel compelled to cite any data since everyone seems to know drug addicts routinely commit felonies just to obtain drugs. Do you need a cite if I point out Al Gore is promoting a hoax to enrich himself? Regarding crimes during prohibition, I do not recall hearing anything specifically mentioned about crimes such as burglaries, armed robberies or muggings commited by alcoholics in order to go and buy illicit booze. The focal point behind arguements in favor of repealing the 18th Amendment regarding criminal behavior revolved around the manufacturing and trafficing crimes according to everything I ever studied.

Drug test welfare recipients? How about we cut off welfare? Since the recipients who do use dope seem to know how to cover their usage up.
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All arguements aside I agree with you in principle. That is I don't care if people kill themselves on overdoses. The friends I had who died due to their drug use had it coming. That's all I have to say about that...

In the liberated society I think we both would do well in, (and oxygen thieves would stave to death in) would see addicts routinely die in commisson of their crimes due to armed citizens justifiably protecting their property. It's a shame only 80 million of us are sufficiently armed. I will not dispute for one second that the "War On Drugs" is a complete failure, just as the war on poverty is a complete goat orgy. I just do not believe the solution is a total reversal that would provide unregulated access to any substance anyone of any age desired to purchase, consume or dispense. The price we pay for freedom often scares the hell out of weaker people who can be easily fooled into voting for nonsense like "hope and change". With freedom comes responsibility and there have always been people out there who screw it up for everyone else. As well as people who need rigid institutional guidance just to function.

Um... that's exactly the point I was making...

And you did so very well. I was compelled to expound on it.

I will always choose liberty, personal responsibility and constitutionality over "for the good of the children". I don't have knee-jerk reactions; only well thought out positions. I have never and will never use any drugs currently listed as illicit for purposes of intoxication, its not my thing; liberty and a less intrusive smaller government is what I'm about. Please leave off the personal attacks. In the 1700s and early 1800s drug use was as unregulated as it gets. Mr. Franklin loved inventing things, having wild sex parties with French women, and using a nice assortment of drugs.

You may be the poster child for the most politically mature and rational adult in the room. That post I addressed was not what I would call "well thought out", and I took issue with it. I seriously doubt Mr Franklin was a consumer of Cocaine, LSD, Meth Amphetemine, or Heroin since he died before the parents of the chemists who created these substances were born.