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The Shooters Shop
- Thread starter hugh jarmis
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Maybe I am overreactingwhen he was following me (but following me he was). Maybe he was just following me to help me out but it didn't feel that way. As I was walking aroundI was thinking to myself he was watching me. I left the store because itfelt uneasy to me. I would liked to havestayeda little bit longer to check out the assualt rifles and such.I do have to say that he wasn't unfreindly. Maybe all the hype going around has gotten to me.At this time I do retract what I said about not going there again. Now that I have had time to think about what I said before, It was a little unfair to the SSshop. I do apologize if I am overreacting. If it does happen again then I will go elsewhere. I think everyone should go or not go there from there owndealings with SS and not because people are bashing the place. If that was what It sounded like I was doing, then I apologize to SS.
Maybe I am overreactingwhen he was following me (but following me he was). Maybe he was just following me to help me out but it didn't feel that way. As I was walking aroundI was thinking to myself he was watching me. I left the store because itfelt uneasy to me. I would liked to havestayeda little bit longer to check out the assualt rifles and such.I do have to say that he wasn't unfreindly. Maybe all the hype going around has gotten to me.At this time I do retract what I said about not going there again. Now that I have had time to think about what I said before, It was a little unfair to the SSshop. I do apologize if I am overreacting. If it does happen again then I will go elsewhere. I think everyone should go or not go there from there owndealings with SS and not because people are bashing the place. If that was what It sounded like I was doing, then I apologize to SS.
Nutczak
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1911forme wrote:
Now that had to be one hell of an interesting conversation! I amwilling to wagerit was a very "one-Sided" conversationsince the friggin guy is asdeaf as a fencepost!!
1911forme wrote:
Now that had to be one hell of an interesting conversation! I amwilling to wagerit was a very "one-Sided" conversationsince the friggin guy is asdeaf as a fencepost!!
1911forme
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Russf wrote:
Russf wrote:
Does anyone out there , have any idea how hard it is to get insurance , for a gunshop/range? VERY hard , and it's not cheap. You can confirm that with the NRA!All the insurance company would need to cancel that insurance , is ONE accidental discharge in the parking lot (which is surrounded by homes), and goodbye insurance coverage. No coverage , No gunshop!
1911forme
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Nutczak wrote:
Actually , the man can communicate better than someon this website! He's a very big member of the shooting community(no pun). He'salsoa very intelligent individual , and a very good freind of"Ronnie Barrett" (50BMG fame)! So...............I'LL TAKE THAT WAGER!!!
I'll also wager that you wouldn't say that to his face!
Nutczak wrote:
Actually , the man can communicate better than someon this website! He's a very big member of the shooting community(no pun). He'salsoa very intelligent individual , and a very good freind of"Ronnie Barrett" (50BMG fame)! So...............I'LL TAKE THAT WAGER!!!
I'll also wager that you wouldn't say that to his face!
1911forme
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All good points , "PM".
I myself will continue to patronize SS , because I respect their decision to not allow OC. It's one place I don't feel the NEED to carry. Fletchers is also a great choice , but a little out of the way for me. Given the oppertunity , I'll always stop and see Terry , if I'm in the area!
All good points , "PM".
I myself will continue to patronize SS , because I respect their decision to not allow OC. It's one place I don't feel the NEED to carry. Fletchers is also a great choice , but a little out of the way for me. Given the oppertunity , I'll always stop and see Terry , if I'm in the area!
1911forme
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Pointman wrote:
"The solution is for individuals to be more responsible when handling firearms. Maybe that would work better if gun stores reported people to the police when they swept the barrel past customers, and the legal system reacted appropriately instead of over-reacting"...
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Sounds good in forum form , but I can only be responsible for my own actions , not the actions of others. Being a "certified NRA instructer" and teaching "Hunter Safety", I'm trying to lessen the odds ofthe uninformed and untrained , having a negligent discharge. But it seems to be a never ending task.
Pointman wrote:
"The solution is for individuals to be more responsible when handling firearms. Maybe that would work better if gun stores reported people to the police when they swept the barrel past customers, and the legal system reacted appropriately instead of over-reacting"...
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Sounds good in forum form , but I can only be responsible for my own actions , not the actions of others. Being a "certified NRA instructer" and teaching "Hunter Safety", I'm trying to lessen the odds ofthe uninformed and untrained , having a negligent discharge. But it seems to be a never ending task.
bnhcomputing
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1911forme wrote:
+1
I teach two to three classes each year.
1911forme wrote:
+1
I teach two to three classes each year.
hugh jarmis
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In addition, being private property, if someone exercises any behavior that the shop staff feels is unsafe they have every right to ask them to leave.
If loaded guns were left in holsters, there is no problem.
I also imagine there are many criminals who'd like to get their hands on a fresh new gun. I'm glad the shooters shop has done the courtesy to criminals of advertising that everyone who leaves their store with merchandise that is HIGHLY sought after by crininals, that person is unarmed and vulnerable.
I'm also glad that anyone who lives close enough to the shooters shop to walk there has the comfort of having to be unarmed for their entire walk because of the shooters shops policy.
Last time I checked, if someone negligently discharges a firearm, there are legal consequences for that behavior.
In addition, being private property, if someone exercises any behavior that the shop staff feels is unsafe they have every right to ask them to leave.
If loaded guns were left in holsters, there is no problem.
I also imagine there are many criminals who'd like to get their hands on a fresh new gun. I'm glad the shooters shop has done the courtesy to criminals of advertising that everyone who leaves their store with merchandise that is HIGHLY sought after by crininals, that person is unarmed and vulnerable.
I'm also glad that anyone who lives close enough to the shooters shop to walk there has the comfort of having to be unarmed for their entire walk because of the shooters shops policy.
1911forme
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I understand your point , but technically , couldn't they carry on the way there , and then place thefirearm in a case (unloaded)?
I understand your point , but technically , couldn't they carry on the way there , and then place thefirearm in a case (unloaded)?
hugh jarmis
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That sounds so much more viable of an option than a "no unholstering of weapons in the store policy" which would allow people to defend themselves if a criminal tried to take their weapon. At least loading and unloading at your vehicle affords you substantially more security as you can do so at an open trunk, (or as I do with my truck with the open door protecting me.)
Have all your customers kneel down on the concrete to unload, case, and uncase and load a weapon. I hope the shooters shop customers have good knees.
Sure. I'm visualizing that. I walk to SS with my case in my hand, gun in holster, get to the door,kneel down on the concrete stoop outside the door, set case on concrete, open case, unholster your weapon, unload weapon, case weapon, enter store.
That sounds so much more viable of an option than a "no unholstering of weapons in the store policy" which would allow people to defend themselves if a criminal tried to take their weapon. At least loading and unloading at your vehicle affords you substantially more security as you can do so at an open trunk, (or as I do with my truck with the open door protecting me.)
Have all your customers kneel down on the concrete to unload, case, and uncase and load a weapon. I hope the shooters shop customers have good knees.
1911forme
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You make it sound so strenuous. :banghead:
You make it sound so strenuous. :banghead:
J.Gleason
Banned
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Simple solution: Shop elsewhere.
Simple solution: Shop elsewhere.
hugh jarmis
Centurion
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It is 100% subjective.
I'm sure everyone will make their own choices about what is best for them. I hope no one does something because someone else is doing it, or doesn't do something because someone else said not to.
Instead, everyone should spend sometime introspectivelyestablishing their own set of principles first, and then live by those principles without compromise for the sake of day-to-day self-serving advantage.
I say this especially to the younger segment of the board members. I presume by the time most of us hit 30, we've had enough time, been out of school, onto life and dealing with lifes long-standing issues enough to have established a set of principles to live by. And I hope we don't compromise those.
For the younger guys on here. 18 - 20 year olds. I hope you guys spend time thinking about freedom, accountability, enpowerment of good over bad, and how that relates to how you live your life. And not just about the gun issue but about your entire life.
If you embrace freedom when it comes to guns, but not in other parts life and social issues, you will become a hypocrite. And liberals will use that against you. People will discredit your opinions because they appear tobe self serving.Don't give them ammunition. Remain pure and focused on the principles of freedom. Your word and your actions will be "bulletproof"
You are right.
It is 100% subjective.
I'm sure everyone will make their own choices about what is best for them. I hope no one does something because someone else is doing it, or doesn't do something because someone else said not to.
Instead, everyone should spend sometime introspectivelyestablishing their own set of principles first, and then live by those principles without compromise for the sake of day-to-day self-serving advantage.
I say this especially to the younger segment of the board members. I presume by the time most of us hit 30, we've had enough time, been out of school, onto life and dealing with lifes long-standing issues enough to have established a set of principles to live by. And I hope we don't compromise those.
For the younger guys on here. 18 - 20 year olds. I hope you guys spend time thinking about freedom, accountability, enpowerment of good over bad, and how that relates to how you live your life. And not just about the gun issue but about your entire life.
If you embrace freedom when it comes to guns, but not in other parts life and social issues, you will become a hypocrite. And liberals will use that against you. People will discredit your opinions because they appear tobe self serving.Don't give them ammunition. Remain pure and focused on the principles of freedom. Your word and your actions will be "bulletproof"
1911forme
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Can't touch that one , well said!
Can't touch that one , well said!
AaronS
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As far as I can see, it would be brandishing to remove a loaded gun from a holster at any store. Loaded or not. So I still dont see the problem. You touch your gun at a store, you get asked to leave. A law is in place for this.
Now, in the range I would think, as I do it all the time, that the use of a holster is just fine. I have never been questioned by the staff about my holsters.
I never took a gun in a gun store, in a holster. I guess in the past I never thought of it. I do not see any real problems with it though. I would not feel un-safe around you. If you took it out, I would have a real problem. The place should have a un-load station at the door.
As far as I can see, it would be brandishing to remove a loaded gun from a holster at any store. Loaded or not. So I still dont see the problem. You touch your gun at a store, you get asked to leave. A law is in place for this.
Now, in the range I would think, as I do it all the time, that the use of a holster is just fine. I have never been questioned by the staff about my holsters.
I never took a gun in a gun store, in a holster. I guess in the past I never thought of it. I do not see any real problems with it though. I would not feel un-safe around you. If you took it out, I would have a real problem. The place should have a un-load station at the door.
1911forme
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You bring up a good point"AS".
All of us , have different levels of "firearms safety", experience. I can alwaysbe responsible formy own weapon , but it's the onesI can't control , that put me on edge. Now I've been in the industry , for more than 20 years. I've been around guns for almost30 years. But I still get uneasy around strangers (and friends), when firearms are involved. I wouldn't call it "nervous", just skeptical of what the persons experience level is.
You bring up a good point"AS".
All of us , have different levels of "firearms safety", experience. I can alwaysbe responsible formy own weapon , but it's the onesI can't control , that put me on edge. Now I've been in the industry , for more than 20 years. I've been around guns for almost30 years. But I still get uneasy around strangers (and friends), when firearms are involved. I wouldn't call it "nervous", just skeptical of what the persons experience level is.