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Maybe not so much from a safety standpoint. But in shooting ability, I think it does help.
At least a little training on how to go to the bathroom with a gun might help from a safety standpoint for some.
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The NRA, $$$, SB59 and why we should stop it.
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Maybe not so much from a safety standpoint. But in shooting ability, I think it does help.
At least a little training on how to go to the bathroom with a gun might help from a safety standpoint for some.
TheQ
Regular Member
SpringerXDacp
New member
Long Answer: Yes, on both parts. She was was not charged with negligence after forensics (?) determined the gun (derringer) malfunctioned.
Short Answer: It was swept under the rug.
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No. Someone a little closer to home.
Bronson
Regular Member
And that's the attitude that would have left us under the thumb of "may issue." The only reason the PFZs were put in place was to placate the anti-shall issue faction. Without the addition of the PFZs we wouldn't have had the decade of shall issue that we've had and the explosion of legal gun carry across the state.
I believe the phrase we're looking for here is: "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water."
Bronson
bmward64
Regular Member
I know this is late, but from what I heard, he lost a job offer, not his job.
Don't know him, but do know people that do. Not saying that I am correct but just wanted to ad my 2 cents.
autosurgeon
Regular Member
Yeah they pulled a job offer.
Big Gay Al
Michigan Moderator
Except, under this current bill, being told to "cover up" only works if you take the extra training necessary to get the "extra permission" needed to CC in the PFZs.
For example, as long as I totally refuse to give in, spend the extra money on ammo and training that I don't REALLY need, I can OC in the PFZs to my heart's content, and if anyone tells me to "cover up," I just say, "Are you encouraging me to commit a crime?"
Do I like this current law? No.
Do I see it as a threat to OC? No.
Will I encourage my rep to vote against it? No. Then again, my rep is Barb Byrum, she'll vote against it anyway, even if I ask her to vote for it.
I don't like the law, but I do think it's a step in the right direction.
As far as constitutional carry goes, I think the only way I'll see that in my lifetime is if I move to Vermont, Alaska, Arizona, or, what't the other one??? Wyoming???. We may get there eventually, but I'll be surprised if I'm still alive when it happens. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm not hoping for it to happen. I just have my doubts.
stainless1911
Banned
I think its on the table in Georgia too.
Big Gay Al
Michigan Moderator
Thing is, I think some of us go target shooting more often than most LEOs do. Most of them only go when they're required to. Most LEOs are not what I'd call "gun people." Some are, no doubt, but for most, the gun is a piece of equipment they have to carry as part of their job.
For myself, the most important thing I learned in the required training was when I could and could not shoot. That's not to say that most of us probably couldn't pick that up on our own. I'm just saying, I found the law part the most interesting. And the course I took, the law portion was taught by the Jackson County asst. prosecutor. (2002)
The rest, I think it's a waste of time. I can get much better instruction on my own time, that teaches proper techniques.
But, that's just my opinion.
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stainless1911
Banned
I simply cant get enough shooting.
Big Gay Al
Michigan Moderator
Good for Georgia. But I don't think I'd move there, myself. Too damned hot.
I have nothing against the Southern states, but my sister went to Alabama a few years ago for a job in the auto industry. She'd been working up in the same line, and a boss she had, who'd transferred down there, wanted her to go with. My sister decided to do it, since the company paid for her moving expenses.
She gets down there, and after a few months, the boss who brought her down there, gets sent somewhere else. Whoever took over, didn't like her, was trying to force her out to give her job to a relative of hers, and eventually did it, by constantly changing my sisters work parameters. My sister went to the state labor board over it, got the company to admit that she was wrongfully terminated, and offered her the job back, or one year's salary and moving expenses to come back to Michigan. She took the later.
Now, this is what she told me. She left Alabama because of all the prejudice she ran into down there. She said, the blacks hated her because she's white, and the whites down there hated her because she's from the North. Basically, she couldn't make anyone happy. Now I've been South before. I was in New Orleans after Katrina, and I can honestly say I've not run into that kind of prejudice. I got along fine with everyone in NOLA. Then again, I didn't have a black (Jamaican) boss who was trying to force me out so she could get a relative in to take my place, either.
I prefer to not judge people by the race. You can't. In fact, a favorite line of mine from the movie "Gettysburg" goes something like this.
".... you cannot judge a race. Any man who judges by the group is a pea-wit. You take men one at a time."
That's my philosophy. And I apply it equally to everyone. Black, white, brown, pink, purple, Christian, Jew, Buddhist, and yes, Muslim too.
Of course, that's just my opinion.
Anyway, I hope the people are nicer in Georgia.
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stainless1911
Banned
I ran into the same prejudice in both South Carolina, and West Virginia. Overall though, the blacks treated me better than some of the whites. The race gap there is a lot farther apart than it is up here.
Bronson
Regular Member
Your mistake is in thinking the "training" requirement was put in there to make you a competent shooter. It's not. It is there to placate the anti-carry crowd, just like the addition of the PFZs. Without those requirements shall issue most likely would not have passed. So I don't care if the "training" is nothing more than "This is a gun. This here's the dangerous end. Put some bullets in it and make it go bang without hurting yourself or anybody else." Then whiz-bang you're "trained."
Bronson
Big Gay Al
Michigan Moderator
Oh, I never assumed it was put there to make me a better shooter. I was pretty sure it was there to increase the chance of being passed. Which I still find rather silly.
What really pisses me off the most though, is the cost. What idiot came up with $105.00 rate to charge for getting your license? And if that's not bad enough, you pay the same amount to renew!!! I mean, what is up with that? If I move back to Indiana, I can either pay $30.00 for an unlimited LTCH, which is good for 4 years, or I can pay $75.00 for a lifetime license!!! And there's no required training!!!
Now, I'll grant that so far as I can tell, we have the most accepted CPL in the country. But if Indiana can issue a license for $30.00, why can't we? What makes our costs more expensive? Both states take your fingerprints, both states run background checks. Are we license holders financing something we don't know about?
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Big Gay Al
Michigan Moderator
Yeah, I found a much smaller gap here in Michigan than I found in Illinois too. On the whole, relations between races appear much better to me, here in Michigan, than I've seen in a lot of places.
The funny thing, my sister said that in general, she got along with more blacks than whites in Alabama, but she did see a wider gap in race relations down South.
Venator
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stainless1911
Banned
The training issue is silly. I shoot on my own, a lot, yet would love to get proper training from some professional shooters. Yesterday when I was out, a curious neighbor came out and wanted to chat. He told me ha was carrying a .38 and hadnt really shot it but a couple times. He said that he needed to come out and shoot a few rounds so that he could renew his CPL, saying that he had been to a range as required. Seems like the guy hasn't shot out a box of rounds total in the last 4 or 5 years.
Bronson
Regular Member
detroit_fan
Regular Member
i don't know about that. up until 2011 detoit was the most segregated city in the country, now i think it's the 4th most.
and lets not forget about quotes like this- ""We understand we have financial difficulties," Shabazz said. "Give us the help we want, need and deserve, not the help you want to impose on us. We don't want an emergency manager or a consent decree. This is white supremacy, and we will fight you.
"Before we let you take over our city, we will burn it down first."
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120327/METRO/203270329
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