Citizen
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I've got 10,000 and an acknowledgement from the Racine city counsel that says refusal to give your name is NOT grounds for obstruction...
Don't lie... Don't give a false name... SILENCE is never a crime (yet) in Wisconsin
http://www.youtube.com/wisconsincarry#p/a/u/1/PuiO8tixuKY
This battle has already been won.
YOU CAN'T BE CHARGED WITH OBSTRUCTION FOR REFUSING TO GIVE YOU NAME/ADDRESS.
REMAINING SILENT IS NOT A JUSTIFICATION FOR OBSTRUCTION.
Case law proves it so...
“Mere silence is insufficient to constitute obstruction. Henes v. Morrissey, 194 Wis. 2d 339, 533 N.W.2d 802 (1995)”
So even if the officer makes up some BS to come up with "RAS", and you remain silent, can you still be dragged in as "John Doe" and held for a period of time? And gun confiscated? That's the hassle I'd like to avoid, if possible.
We have only the rights that we protect. We have the Fourth Amendment Right to be secure from unwarranted seizures of our papers. You may not cherish it.What I don't understand is why folks think that giving an leo your name and address verbally is any better than just giving them your ID. They end up with the same information.
Suggests facts not in evidence.The last thing I want is the police getting worked up when they pull me over for speeding because my name says "carries a gun" next to it.
OK!Giving them your info gives them a chance to document and subsequent leo's the opportunity to harass. In a way I'm saving them from themselves by not giving them my information in the first place.
What I don't understand is why folks think that giving an leo your name and address verbally is any better than just giving them your ID.
I think what he is saying is that you can be invoke your rights and still be nice.
I'm very polite to police. (you never know what their dash cam catches)
I politely decline to give my name
I politely decline to answer questions
I politely ask if I'm free to leave
I politely repeat that process
I think what he is saying is that you can be invoke your rights and still be nice.
I'm very polite to police. (you never know what their dash cam catches)
I politely decline to give my name
I politely decline to answer questions
I politely ask if I'm free to leave
I politely repeat that process
Scroll down to "Arrest For Refusal To Identity?"
http://www.wichiefs.org/Newsletters/July2004Newsletter.pdf
As I have said, I no longer carry my drivers license on my person, it is in the packet with registration and proof of insurance, thus avoiding the Chapter 343 entanglement whenever possible.