georg jetson
Regular Member
I asked what he has done. Your answer was effectively saying... NOTHING. I agree, he has DONE NOTHING to indicate that he is a supporter of the 2A. He's a politician. What he SAYS is irrelevant.
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Should I petition to repeal GCA '68 and/or NFA '34
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I asked what he has done. Your answer was effectively saying... NOTHING. I agree, he has DONE NOTHING to indicate that he is a supporter of the 2A. He's a politician. What he SAYS is irrelevant.
Aknazer
Regular Member
He also hasn't done anything to show that he is against it. And until an action has been taken one way or the other all you have to go off of is one's words. Given what he has said and the fact that he himself carries and has used his weapon to kill a coyote his words and few actions show more support for it than others. Saying that what he says is irrelevant is also a bit stupid imo. If that was the case then we shouldn't be worried about Obama attempting to get rid of weapons since as president he hasn't done anything to try and get rid of our weapons and one could argue that he has slightly increased our 2A rights when he signed into law the whole national parks thing (nevermind that it was a rider on the credit card reform bill).
While you do have to be careful with what a politician says, flat out ignoring what they say isn't wise either.
georg jetson
Regular Member
Supporting a politician because of this... "He also hasn't done anything to show that he is against it." ...is both stupid and naive. Geeez... The Republicans go through this every dang election. Supporting the candidate the media hands them WITHOUT a record to back up what they SAY. There is a candidate with a PROVEN record of 2A support for 30 YEARS yet you'd defend someone as a 2A supporter because of what they say... That's laughable.
Thanks for making my point. Obama has done more to support the 2A than Rick Perry. Words are IRRELEVANT without a record to back them up.
Aknazer
Regular Member
Except that Obama hasn't done more to support the 2A if you look at what he has said and "tried" to do and not what was forced down his throat on a bill that he wanted. And by talking about a candidate with a PROVEN record I'm going to guess you're talking about Ron Paul, only with him there's other issues. Besides with what you're saying how can you ever decide who to vote for? "Oh that guy hasn't been in politics before so he doesn't have any actions to back up what he's saying." "Oh that one hasn't actuall run the country so I have to dismiss his comments on foreign policy." etc etc. At some point you have to look at what they are saying, combined with their actions and judge the person yourself. You obviously don't like Perry and are just looking to twist anything I can to further your view, which can be seen with how you have attempted to take what I said out of context. Let's go over again at least what I know (feel free to add any actual information you have).
1) He hasn't done anything to show he's against it. This keeps him roughly neutral as it doesn't show one way or the other.
2) He carries concealed and has used his weapon to defend against a coyote. This shows that he at least believes in part of the 2A and he exercises that right.
3) He dodged an OC in Texas question and stated that he is more of a CC guy. This is somewhat disheartening, but goes to further show that he at least supports CC.
So now, lets get back to my original statement. "...supports the second amendment (though I can't comment on if he only supports CC or if he supports the 2A in it's entirety). He is a far better pick than Obomney..." Oh look at that, even in my original statement I said that I'm not sure if he supports the 2A in it's entirety or only a part of it. I also only compared him to Romney (In case you couldn't figure out who "obomney" is) in regards to who I thought would be better and didn't compare him to any of the other contenders.
Oh and if we didn't judge politicians off of what they said and only looked at their actions then most of the Tea Party Republicans shouldn't of gotten elected since they didn't really have any political actions to back up their words. And if someone doesn't think something is broken how are they to take "action" in fixing what isn't broken? But please, continue on your anti-Perry campaign without showing anything to back up your arguement. I'm sure it will be able to win over so many people with all the data you've been showing for why people shouldn't skeptically take him at his word...
georg jetson
Regular Member
All this crap is also irrelevant. YOU are the one that claimed he supports the 2A. I asked what specifically has he done that shows he "supports the second amendment"? . The simple answer is NOTHING.
You admit...
"As I said, I can't say if he supports it fully"
That's because he's DONE nothing.
No need to go further. My question was answered.
I'm gonna take further discussion of Perry to this thread...
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?94427-Rick-Perry-for-President
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Aknazer
Regular Member
Keep spouting that and refusing to think that his personal actions can't be used to make judgements about what one would expect of his political actions. I'll just ignore you from this point forward.
rodbender
Regular Member
The petition site is up and running at Whitehouse.gov. I'll get them done this weekend and post the URLs here by Monday.
since9
Campaign Veteran
Why? It's a ponze scheme, as I explained before.
Even if they run it as advertised, it rewards those who have a mediocre idea but are a good marketer while silencing a really outstanding idea. There's a reason we have the Constitutional right to redress the government for our grievances, and forcing us to obtain even ONE vote violates that right.
When the game is rigged, the only proper response is to refuse to play the game.
MR Redenck
Regular Member
Kirbinator
Regular Member
If my reps will introduce legislation to repeal the 1934, 1968, and 1986 gun acts, I'll gladly kick them $100 a year until they are voted out of office.
FreedomGuy
New member
Great start!
Hey, just found this site and happened upon this thread. I think this petition is a great idea. Even if it were not so effective, it's a start in the lobby against CGA '68 and other earlier legislations. Where are the URL's?
Also: I would think that strongest lobby in favor of repeal of these laws would come from industry, from the gun manufacturers and dealers, both in the USA and outside. Does anyone know if they are lobbying Washington as well? If so, can we contribute to their efforts, for example, financially?
Another idea I had the other day was to visit Congress critters in person, in their office. That helps also if there are more people who show up, not just one or two people. Anybody like that idea?
Hey, just found this site and happened upon this thread. I think this petition is a great idea. Even if it were not so effective, it's a start in the lobby against CGA '68 and other earlier legislations. Where are the URL's?
Also: I would think that strongest lobby in favor of repeal of these laws would come from industry, from the gun manufacturers and dealers, both in the USA and outside. Does anyone know if they are lobbying Washington as well? If so, can we contribute to their efforts, for example, financially?
Another idea I had the other day was to visit Congress critters in person, in their office. That helps also if there are more people who show up, not just one or two people. Anybody like that idea?
Dreamer
Regular Member
Rick Perry's lyalties are EXACTLY the same as Werner Von Braun--they lie with the highest bidder, and his ONLY motivation is to save his own skin. Perry is a turncoat, a political chameleon, and a sociopath who's ONLY loyalties are with what he thinks will further his own career, power, and influence.
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Unfortunately, its kind of hard to take the petition the government thing seriously. Looking through the web site, there are some very serious, well thought out ideas.
The serious ideas are being drowned out by a flood of petition requests that range from obscure, to silly, to profoundly misguided. Topics that have risen to the level of a government response include formally answering whether UFO's exist (official answer: probably not...wait, that means UFO's and space aliens DO exist, are living among us, possibly in positions of power. No wonder there's no birth certificate...
. Others that are in the queue include petitions to "Stop lying" (only 500+ takers), "Repeal the electoral college", "End corporate personhood", "Recognize the men and women occupying Wall Street" (what, give them medals?), "Stop animal homelessness at its roots", "Protect the dunes sagebrush lizard", a well-meaning petition to "Take these petitions seriously" and a hopefully tongue-in-cheek petition to "...demand a vapid, condescending, meaningless, politically safe response to this petition."
I fear these petition requests will quickly become the fodder of late night jokes, if they haven't already.
The serious ideas are being drowned out by a flood of petition requests that range from obscure, to silly, to profoundly misguided. Topics that have risen to the level of a government response include formally answering whether UFO's exist (official answer: probably not...wait, that means UFO's and space aliens DO exist, are living among us, possibly in positions of power. No wonder there's no birth certificate...
. Others that are in the queue include petitions to "Stop lying" (only 500+ takers), "Repeal the electoral college", "End corporate personhood", "Recognize the men and women occupying Wall Street" (what, give them medals?), "Stop animal homelessness at its roots", "Protect the dunes sagebrush lizard", a well-meaning petition to "Take these petitions seriously" and a hopefully tongue-in-cheek petition to "...demand a vapid, condescending, meaningless, politically safe response to this petition."I fear these petition requests will quickly become the fodder of late night jokes, if they haven't already.
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