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Refused ID at Court house today to check weapon.

sudden valley gunner

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Went to be support for a friend suffering from petty tyrants at Bellingham municipal courthouse. Asked to check weapon, at time of check in I put my wallet and knife and keys in with the gun. The security guy was pro gun.

He then said I should hold onto wallet because he needed to hold onto ID.

I said I had cleared this a few years ago (before city hired private security) and I don't need ID and I keep the key according to state law.

He said all he knows is what he was told. And that he would have to clear this with the city. I had to grab all my belongings and wait outside. I fully expected the city to have changed its policy.

He came back and said I was good to go, gave me the key I put myself in and went to watch the jester show called a justice system.

I thanked him for his professionalism both at that time and when I came back down to gather my belongings at the end of court.

My feelings is the city is having a policy to ask, but if pushed will follow the law.
 

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Went to be support for a friend suffering from petty tyrants at Bellingham municipal courthouse. Asked to check weapon, at time of check in I put my wallet and knife and keys in with the gun. The security guy was pro gun.

He then said I should hold onto wallet because he needed to hold onto ID.

I said I had cleared this a few years ago (before city hired private security) and I don't need ID and I keep the key according to state law.

He said all he knows is what he was told. And that he would have to clear this with the city. I had to grab all my belongings and wait outside. I fully expected the city to have changed its policy.

He came back and said I was good to go, gave me the key I put myself in and went to watch the jester show called a justice system.

I thanked him for his professionalism both at that time and when I came back down to gather my belongings at the end of court.

My feelings is the city is having a policy to ask, but if pushed will follow the law.

I bet they just hate verbs.
 

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He said all he knows is what he was told.

Well, that ain't good enough. All gun owners have an "extra" responsibility to know every gun law and rule where ever they are.

Instead his ignorance caused you delay and frustration. He should be fired.
 
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He said all he knows is what he was told.

Well, that ain't good enough. All gun owners have an "extra" responsibility to know every gun law and rule where ever they are.

Instead his ignorance caused you delay and frustration. He should be fired.
Really? When he was most likely following directives and post orders. He cleared the matter up. The OP was satisfied.

Sometimes davidmcbeth you are like the 12[SUP]th[/SUP] player on the field. Action not wanted and gets the team in hot water/penalized. Might be appreciated if you just sit on the bench quietly.
 

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I wonder how amused a judge would be if someone were late to court because the courthouse does not comply with state law?

From personal experience in one case only, and that being the one where the judge sent me a letter telling me to bring the items not normally allowed inside the courtroom and I showed the letter to both the security deputies and the bailiffs - the answer in that case was to recess the case all that stuff was supposed to been brought for, have the deputies and bailiffs called to stand before the bench and find out if they a) recognized his signature and b) were bucking for a minimum of a day in jail for contempt.

Judges hear enough in the criminal and civil cases that are already docketed about government minions that have screwed up. They probably do not want to hear that "their" support staff are screwing up.

stay safe.
 

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From personal experience in one case only, and that being the one where the judge sent me a letter telling me to bring the items not normally allowed inside the courtroom and I showed the letter to both the security deputies and the bailiffs - the answer in that case was to recess the case all that stuff was supposed to been brought for, have the deputies and bailiffs called to stand before the bench and find out if they a) recognized his signature and b) were bucking for a minimum of a day in jail for contempt.

Judges hear enough in the criminal and civil cases that are already docketed about government minions that have screwed up. They probably do not want to hear that "their" support staff are screwing up.

stay safe.

I wonder how amused a judge would be if someone were late to court because the courthouse does not comply with state law?
I have some experience with that in Kirkland municipal court. A youtube video also, look up my username on YouTube. It is one that I had uploaded.

Side note I was arrested at the next hearing with 10,000dollars bail for a gross misdemeanor charge.

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Really? When he was most likely following directives and post orders. He cleared the matter up. The OP was satisfied.

Sometimes davidmcbeth you are like the 12[SUP]th[/SUP] player on the field. Action not wanted and gets the team in hot water/penalized. Might be appreciated if you just sit on the bench quietly.

And what evidence do you have that he was following directives and post orders which would conflict with the law? Seems more likely than not he was making up his own rules.

He kicked a guy out of a public building w/o cause. He should be fired. How many HS graduates would love to have his job? Zillions.

Not saying the guy should be hanged ... just fired. Maybe in his next job he would learn what the rules actually are instead of making them up.
 

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Really? When he was most likely following directives and post orders. He cleared the matter up. The OP was satisfied.

Sometimes davidmcbeth you are like the 12[SUP]th[/SUP] player on the field. Action not wanted and gets the team in hot water/penalized. Might be appreciated if you just sit on the bench quietly.

And what evidence do you have that he was following directives and post orders which would conflict with the law? Seems more likely than not he was making up his own rules.

He kicked a guy out of a public building w/o cause. He should be fired. How many HS graduates would love to have his job? Zillions.

Not saying the guy should be hanged ... just fired. Maybe in his next job he would learn what the rules actually are instead of making them up.
Sigh......think retraining is better option.

One strike and you're out is not normally the way. If it were, where would you be? You must have a mantle full of awards.
 

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I wonder how amused a judge would be if someone were late to court because the courthouse does not comply with state law?
Don't get me started. Our court system is so broken; just for starters you would have to fire every employee, impeach every elected official and fumigate the building.
 

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From personal experience in one case only, and that being the one where the judge sent me a letter telling me to bring the items not normally allowed inside the courtroom and I showed the letter to both the security deputies and the bailiffs - the answer in that case was to recess the case all that stuff was supposed to been brought for, have the deputies and bailiffs called to stand before the bench and find out if they a) recognized his signature and b) were bucking for a minimum of a day in jail for contempt.

Judges hear enough in the criminal and civil cases that are already docketed about government minions that have screwed up. They probably do not want to hear that "their" support staff are screwing up.

stay safe.

You are lucky, or maybe Virginia still respects that its the peoples court.

More than likely here the judges will throw the gun owner in jail for missing the court date and not accept that the court staff as at fault.
 

sudden valley gunner

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He said all he knows is what he was told.

Well, that ain't good enough. All gun owners have an "extra" responsibility to know every gun law and rule where ever they are.

Instead his ignorance caused you delay and frustration. He should be fired.

I don't believe a free people have any extra responsibilities to know the myriads of positive law laced up in black boots upon our throats.
 

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I wonder how amused a judge would be if someone were late to court because the courthouse does not comply with state law?

I was recently booted out of a courthouse for not following some judicial's official's made up rules.
I had a court date and other things to file at the same courthouse...but there primarily for a criminal pre-trial conference.

I was told by the marshalls "you'll never be back in this courthouse!". But I am prepared for such matters and called the chief justice in charge of the judicial marshalls .. zingo bingo I was back in the courthouse and courtroom 10 minutes later and the marshalls that hassled me? All went to other courtrooms. Everyone in the courtroom was amazed, except me of course.

And the main marshall that caused me to be booted out? He's gonna be sued. Defamation, 4th amendment violation, etc. I'll win no doubt. He'll be listening to this tune soon enough:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9QEAtcz3o8

Add another lawsuit onto the pile ...

When I walked back in, they wanted to arrest me LOL Good times.

http://www.pmslweb.com/the-blog/wp-...one-does-not-simply-escape-from-stalag-13.jpg
 
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Sigh......think retraining is better option.

Why is that? They have at least the same basic training all citizens are supposed to have that is supposedly perfectly adequate to prevent violating the law. If you or I break the law and claim ignorance, people will line up (from the internet through police to prosecutors and judges) that ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

If you or I break the law, we suffer the consequences. If you or I don't know the laws governing our professional employment, we suffer the consequences. Those consequences usually include arrest and often result in termination of employment, either due to sitting in a cell instead of being at work, or because the company regulations match the laws. Why should a security guard be different?

One strike and you're out is not normally the way. If it were, where would you be? You must have a mantle full of awards.

Depends on the nature of the strike. Even in baseball having your pop fly caught is different than hitting one behind the base line. Using the wrong stapler is a lot different from committing a crime.
 
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Why is that? They have at least the same basic training all citizens are supposed to have that is supposedly perfectly adequate to prevent violating the law. If you or I break the law and claim ignorance, people will line up (from the internet through police to prosecutors and judges) that ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

If you or I break the law, we suffer the consequences. If you or I don't know the laws governing our professional employment, we suffer the consequences. Those consequences usually include arrest and often result in termination of employment, either due to sitting in a cell instead of being at work, or because the company regulations match the laws. Why should a security guard be different?



Depends on the nature of the strike. Even in baseball having your pop fly caught is different than hitting one behind the base line. Using the wrong stapler is a lot different from committing a crime.
My personal approach is to try to resolve such problems in an amicable manner when possible, and to give the benefit of the doubt up to a point. Have other means in my kit bag too.

That is the way I wish to be treated by LEOs.....and in fact have a couple of times.
 
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