Redlands Market Night UOC Meet

[N6ATF]

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coolusername2007 wrote:

Sons of Liberty wrote:

This reporter knew about the meet because he is friends with the Chief. The Chief suggested that he cover this meet for a good story.

(I wonder what happened to all of the pictures the photographer took?)

Which means the Chief knew in advance. Does he sit at his desk and read OCDO all day?

I suspect there is one central department somewhere with two or three guys/gals sitting at their computers all day spending every waking minutedigesting everyOCDO post in or about the PRK. And when they think they have something juicy they give a heads up to the local Sheriff/Chief. Personal note: nice work boys! Now how about leaving the law abiding alone and go focus on some criminal activity.

They have no interest in focusing on criminal activity, except in how to best enable it... such as by diverting officers away from law enforcement to civil rights violations every time an armed law-abiding citizen (who deters crime) steps out in public.

I hope you keep on reading this, until you can't take it anymore and kill yourselves, you evil, less than human, SCUM.

 

[CA_Libertarian]

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N6ATF wrote:

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I hope you keep on reading this, until you can't take it anymore and kill yourselves, you evil, less than human, SCUM.

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I think the last several words of rhetoric are a bit overboard. I understand and share your frustration with our oppressors. However, I wish them not to die, but to live and learn... and hopefully some day better align themselves with what is good and just.

 

[PincheOgro1]

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CA_Libertarian wrote:

N6ATF wrote:

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I hope you keep on reading this, until you can't take it anymore and kill yourselves, you evil, less than human, SCUM.

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I think the last several words of rhetoric are a bit overboard. I understand and share your frustration with our oppressors. However, I wish them not to die, but to live and learn... and hopefully some day better align themselves with what is good and just.

Liberals NEVER change. They REFUSE to learn.

 

[Sons of Liberty]

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Hey look. They got my good side!

http://redlandsdailyfacts.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=28546519&event=965089&CategoryID=56470

 

[Ranchero]

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When we arrived at the mall parking lot, we were greeted by JESSE B. GILL Writer with the Redlands Daily Facts. He knew we were coming, he was told by the Redlandschief of police. He didn't know about the SHOTGUN GUY, but the police did.

I am still working on a video coming soon.

 

[Ranchero]

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Here's what happend on March 18th. 2010.

It was all good, watch the video.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBzCxUHFETA

 

[Gundude]

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Ranchero wrote:

Here's what happend on March 18th. 2010.

It was all good, watch the video.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBzCxUHFETA

I watched this video, and I need to comment.

NEVER, NEVER TOUCH YOUR WEAPON DURING AN (e) CHECK!!!

If they can't get it out of a retention holster, thats their problem. It's a good way to get busted for brandishing or get yourself shot.

 

[PincheOgro1]

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Gundude wrote:

Ranchero wrote:

Here's what happend on March 18th. 2010.

It was all good, watch the video.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBzCxUHFETA

I watched this video, and I need to comment.

NEVER, NEVER TOUCH YOUR WEAPON DURING AN (e) CHECK!!!

If they can't get it out of a retention holster, thats their problem. It's a good way to get busted for brandishing or get yourself shot.

Though I agree with the statement, brandishing means "in a threatening way", The people and the police were making eye contact, polite and respectful.

 

[Gundude]

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PincheOgro1 wrote:

Gundude wrote:

Ranchero wrote:

Here's what happend on March 18th. 2010.

It was all good, watch the video.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBzCxUHFETA

I watched this video, and I need to comment.

NEVER, NEVER TOUCH YOUR WEAPON DURING AN (e) CHECK!!!

If they can't get it out of a retention holster, thats their problem. It's a good way to get busted for brandishing or get yourself shot.

Though I agree with the statement, brandishing means "in a threatening way", The people and the police were making eye contact, polite and respectful.

Until you get some hotrod cop who says....it's ok, just hand it to me. Then cuffs you up for pulling it. Then you can sort it out in court. BE CAREFUL!

 

[PincheOgro1]

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Gundude wrote:

PincheOgro1 wrote:

Gundude wrote:

Ranchero wrote:

Here's what happend on March 18th. 2010.

It was all good, watch the video.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBzCxUHFETA

I watched this video, and I need to comment.

NEVER, NEVER TOUCH YOUR WEAPON DURING AN (e) CHECK!!!

If they can't get it out of a retention holster, thats their problem. It's a good way to get busted for brandishing or get yourself shot.

Though I agree with the statement, brandishing means "in a threatening way", The people and the police were making eye contact, polite and respectful.

Until you get some hotrod cop who says....it's ok, just hand it to me. Then cuffs you up for pulling it. Then you can sort it out in court. BE CAREFUL!

that's what the recdorders are for. It comes out in court , I'm sure he'd be a cop no more.

 

[ConditionThree]

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Gundude wrote:

Ranchero wrote:

Here's what happend on March 18th. 2010.

It was all good, watch the video.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBzCxUHFETA

I watched this video, and I need to comment.

NEVER, NEVER TOUCH YOUR WEAPON DURING AN (e) CHECK!!!

If they can't get it out of a retention holster, thats their problem. It's a good way to get busted for brandishing or get yourself shot.

I agree with Gundude, though for different reasons. I would in no way assist the detaining officer in conducting a search of my person or effects. The way I see it is that if they initiate the search, they should be familiar enough with retention holsters to draw and clear the weapon without assistance.

Would you help an officer toss your car? How about dump out your luggage to look for contraband? Same difference here in my view.

 

[Sons of Liberty]

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The LEO asked me to assist him in removing my firearm. I complied. I figured if I didn't there was a better chance of him dropping it trying to figure out how to remove it than if I just handed it to him. (Recorder running.)

 

[flintlock tom]

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I agree: No Touchie.
Too much opportunity for intentional misunderstanding.
Both times that officers have checked my gun I had to instruct them in how to remove the firearm from the holster. The second one, the officer, in returning it, held it out for me to take. I asked him to please put it back in the holster.
Serpa Blackhawk. Springfield Armory M1911.
The next time, if you're "feeling your oats" (yeah, I'm old) ask him if the gun was unloaded. If he answers "yes", ask him to show you that it is still unloaded.
If he says "Why, don't you trust me?" You know the answer to that one.

 

[jaydog]

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flintlock tom wrote:

The next time, if you're "feeling your oats" (yeah, I'm old) ask him if the gun was unloaded. If he answers "yes", ask him to show you that it is still unloaded.
If he says "Why, don't you trust me?" You know the answer to that one.

I think that if an officer removed my loaded magazine(s) and my gun and proceeded to check it behind my back or out of view I would respectfully request that the officer either check my gun where I can observe OR that before placing it back in my holster that he ejects the magazine and shows me that it is still empty and shows me the chamber to prove he didn't load a round into and then, while still in open view, places the gun back into my holster. I also think I would always get the responding officer's name and badge numbers and immediately count my rounds in my magazine(s) to be sure none where taken.

I don't think this would be an out of line request, do you guys?

Edit: By "immediately count" I mean go back to my vehicle or residence and check there, not while the officers are still around and not in full view of the public.

 

[coolusername2007]

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ConditionThree wrote:

Gundude wrote:

Ranchero wrote:

Here's what happend on March 18th. 2010.

It was all good, watch the video.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBzCxUHFETA

I watched this video, and I need to comment.

NEVER, NEVER TOUCH YOUR WEAPON DURING AN (e) CHECK!!!

If they can't get it out of a retention holster, thats their problem. It's a good way to get busted for brandishing or get yourself shot.

I agree with Gundude, though for different reasons. I would in no way assist the detaining officer in conducting a search of my person or effects. The way I see it is that if they initiate the search, they should be familiar enough with retention holsters to draw and clear the weapon without assistance.

Would you help an officer toss your car? How about dump out your luggage to look for contraband? Same difference here in my view.

I have to agree here. I would not be handling the gun at all. If the officer chooses to conduct an e-violation then its his responsibility to figure it out, remove it, and put it back. It would not assist in the violation of my 4A rights.

 

[wewd]

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...says someone who has yet to be e-checked.

 

[1245A Defender]

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wewd wrote:

...says someone who has yet to be e-checked.

maybe he hasnt been e violated for a reason!
i remember one of your meets where the cops asked you guys to meet in the parking lot, first so they could e violate you in private, and many of you went willingly to be violated, and they read your numbers and further violated your rights!
i would not have gone to the parking lot for them like that!
i would not stand around in a line to wait for my turn to be e violated, i would wander away so that that would have to come to me!
i would not help them or coach them to operate my holster or my gun, and i would not let them take my mags to look at, and i would make sure to watch the e violation carefully to see that nothing funny happens!

i fully support all the good you guys are doing for our 2A rights down in calif. and im glad i dont have to put up with that kind of shlt here in washington.

if i was there with you, then you could see if im really walkin the walk or just talkin!

 

[wewd]

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1245A Defender wrote:

i remember one of your meets where the cops asked you guys to meet in the parking lot, first so they could e violate you in private, and many of you went willingly to be violated, and they read your numbers and further violated your rights!

That was the Bay Area group. We usually have no contact with police while UOCing, and that's what we prefer. We also don't invite the police or the media to our events, but they are starting to show up anyway since they are now actively reading our posts on this board. Someone, either the Redlands PD or another agency, read this thread when it was put up, and alerted the Chief, who then called the local paper who had a reporter waiting in the parking lot when we arrived. When the group had gathered and we made our way to the event itself, the PD had a group of officers expecting us. They even asked about the "guy with the shotgun".

We prefer to go about our lawful business unmolested, but that is not really possible anymore, especially for these group meets. And when you have half a dozen officers who are determined to e-violate you, you are pretty much resigned to do what they ask you to do. I would love nothing more than to tell an officer "no" when they demand to inspect my sidearm, but we are not yet in a position to do that while 12031(e) still exists, though I have a hunch that it won't last very much longer.

 

[coolusername2007]

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wewd wrote:

...says someone who has yet to be e-checked.

Would love to say that's by design,effective meetup organizing, and location choice, but in reality we both know its due to luck.

I can say with fair certainty though, that I won't be a happy, go lucky, e-violatee and I will NEVER voluntarily subject myself to any 4A rights violations. I remain firm that those who chose this route in NorCal made a colossal mistake.

 

[pullnshoot25]

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Sons of Liberty wrote:

The LEO asked me to assist him in removing my firearm. I complied. I figured if I didn't there was a better chance of him dropping it trying to figure out how to remove it than if I just handed it to him. (Recorder running.)

OK, internet yelling time...


NEVER, EVER, EVER TOUCH YOUR GUN DURING AN E-CHECK!

Cops have the authority but not the obligation to conduct a 12031 check and helping them out is like giving crack to a crack baby to get them to stop crying. DO NOT AID A POLICE OFFICER IN STOMPING ON YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS and DO NOT GIVE REASON FOR A COP TO SHOOT YOU.

I blogged about this very topic not too long ago. Here is the link to that blog post.

http://caopencarry.blogspot.com/2009/11/gun-handling-issues.html