Then again, I'm not Paul. We should wait. boar out.
Unfortunately they did not strike 'face to face' so any internet only course is still out.
http://www.doj.state.wi.us/absolutenm/templates/template_share.aspx?articleid=2715&zoneid=1
Statement from Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen on Suspension of Concealed Carry Training Requirements
By law, the Joint Committee on Review of Administrative Rules (“JCRAR”) may suspend a rule or part of a rule if it determines that certain criteria have been met. Pursuant to that authority, JCRAR has voted to suspend certain portions of the Department of Justice's (“DOJ's”) emergency rule on concealed carry that define how applicants may satisfy the training requirement, including the requirement that a “firearms safety or training course” include at least four hours of instruction.
The Department of Justice (“DOJ”) will immediately begin processing all applications for a concealed carry license without reference to the suspended portions of the rule, including applications that were sent or received prior to JCRAR's action. Applicants may continue using the application form provided by DOJ until a revised form is made available. However, during the period of suspension, DOJ will not enforce the suspended provisions and will not reject any applications for failure to satisfy the requirements set forth in the suspended provisions.
A copy of JCRAR's action is available at the following link:
http://www.doj.state.wi.us/news/files/administrative-rules-20111107.pdf
A copy of Attorney General Van Hollen's testimony to JCRAR prior to this decision is available at the following link:
http://www.doj.state.wi.us/news/files/jcrar-concealed-carry-rule-testimony-20111107.pdf
Is this now permanent? There is nothing JB or anyone else can do to reverse or appeal this right?
Jus 17.05(2): Except as otherwise provided in sub. (1), for purposes of satisfying the requirements of sub. (1)(b), (c), (d), (e), (f), or (g), a certificate or affidavit documenting that the applicant has successfully completed a firearms safety or training course must include all of the following information:
(a) The applicant’s name.
(b) The name of the firearms safety or training course.
[Strikeout] (c) The length in hours of the firearms safety or training course.
(d) The date on which the applicant completed the firearms safety or training course.
[Strikeout] (e) The city and state in which the applicant completed the firearms safety or training course.
[Strikeout] (f) The name, address, and telephone number of the person or entity responsible for the firearms safety or training course. This may be an individual instructor, a national or state organization, a law enforcement agency, an educational institution, a firearms training school, or another public or private institution or organization.
(g) The name of the instructor who taught the firearms safety or training course to the applicant and the name of the agency or organization that certified the instructor.
[Strikeout] (h) A signed statement by the instructor who taught the firearms safety or training course to the applicant affirming that the course satisfied the definition of a firearms safety or training course in s. Jus 17.03(8) and that the applicant successfully completed the course. An affirmation that the applicant merely attended the course is not sufficient to satisfy this requirement.
Paul:
There is no mention of "face to face": in the JCRAR's memo. It only says 'instuctor led". That doesn't mean the instructor and student have to be face to face. Many on-line college courses are remotely instructor led via the internet.
My opinion
JUS 17.03 (9) “Instructor-led” means training that is conducted face-to-face in which instructors actively guide students through each lesson, answer questions, facilitate discussion, and provide feedback on activities and/or assignments. Learner-led or self-directed learning—the delivery of learning experiences to independent learners who lead and manage their own experience, delivered via web pages, multimedia presentations, computer applications, online presentations, or similar methods—is not instructor-led.