Open carry and loss prevention

[Red Dawg]

Fairly Sound Advice

You much like myself have extenuating circumstances. You seem more primed, much like myself due to your unique situation. You have multiracial children and wife. My wife is crippled and dying, she looks like a drunk or a heroin addict. We are watched, laughed at and followed as well as had police called on us five times in a year. My skin is thicker and my patience are greater due to this. People are ignorant and cruel but they dont matter, especially not when it pertains to deadly force. I am a fighter but you and I need to fight for our wives and children. Management are there for customer service....try it. When my wife is mistreated, I dont unholster...I leave...I never return. We have to act in a higher standard than those we train to defend ourselves against. My best friend is doing 20 years because his temper got the best of him and he pulled the trigger. Go visit someone in prison..its an eye opener. You get it occasionally....I get it daily and hourly. My kids are more important than foolish pride, so are yours...born and unborn... but its hard all the way around...just leave the **** alone because the more you poke it, the more it stinks.

^^^
Dude is fairly accurate. You have been given pretty good advice. It is one of my pet peeves on this forum the guys that seem to be fishing for the minimum of being able to shoot. Please, don't be that guy...Like Ayoob says, title of his book: In the gravest extreme...

I am kinda forced to shop in the big boes, and the less than desireable areas, and at some of the nicer stores. Like most, I hit a mixed bag of places. Depending on what I'me doing and have been doing is how I'm dressed, but one thing seems to always happen... No one really says a damn word to me other than smiles and pleasantries in passing. I know there are exceptions, but I don't worry about thugs, or LP guys, or anything....We are all equal until proven otherwise...I live in VB, shop in Vb, and hit Wally Worlds all over the area...I don't get why you have these problems. The mix of people and stuff here with Military, and others moving in, race is not such an issue..

 

[starbuck]

Maybe, my wife's take on it was that the 6'3 300 lbs black guy

For someone repeatedly citing racism, I have to ask; what does the man's ethnicity have to do with the incident?

 

[2a4all]

This thread is still alive?

 

[wrearick]

Well again I would gladly leave if they allowed. Going to a manger is often not a solution as he is often right there next to them as they probably have told him you were up to no good etc. Again things haven't gotten to this point, but they easily could have. Most stores have a policy of calling the police if a "suspect" is armed; which is fine as I have done nothing wrong. But in the worst case scenario where you or your family are assaulted by them you are left with the 2 options I originally mentioned:
1. Let it happen and hope that they don't do hurt your family. Remember young kids and pregnant wife involved.
2. Defend yourself and your family with your weapon if need be.

Mongoose,
You need to decide what you want here. You ask for suggestions and when you get them you shoot them down (having never tried them) and say why they will not work. Okay, maybe the manager did alert them to watch you but once you ask for the company representative and he has to respond as such that WILL have an affect on him. not only that but if the incident escalates, telling the police you asked to speak to the manager goes down alot better than you didn't cause you didn't think it would make any difference. I have open carried at that walmart location on numerous occasions but not at 2am (my stroller aged kids would never be out that late). It is starting to sound like you are trolling for a violent option from the group here on how to handle a situation where you are approached by security folks. You will not get that advice here so if you are looking for a quote for a anti-gun group go look elsewhere. I don't care how big a bully some security guy is he is NOT going to want to be the first one to rush an armed man or family just doing shopping. They may call the police but as you pointed out, they don't get paid much and while they may not "like" your life choices they are not stupid enought to do more than shoot their mouth off and give you dirty looks. I am not part of an interacial marriage and haven't walked in your shoes but I have lived here in Virginia Beach for 29 years and have observered a nubmer of such couples and do not see the behaviour you are descriping. I grew up white in Detroit and will tell you that some places I would not venture after dark or alone. If you know of places that treat you bad or only after certain times avoid them or fight them but filing formal written complaints instead of planing for the shoot out at OK Corral.

 

[Grapeshot]

--snipped-- But in the worst case scenario where you or your family are assaulted by them you are left with the 2 options I originally mentioned:
1. Let it happen and hope that they don't do hurt your family. Remember young kids and pregnant wife involved.
2. Defend yourself and your family with your weapon if need be.

1) Nobody has suggested "let it happen." To the contrary, valid, experienced suggestions have been made.

2) Have seen no evidence requiring use of lethal force... none, nada. You carry the weighty responsibility to know the difference and remain in control of yourself. Other options are available w/o putting your or your families future at risk.

You cannot reduce this only to the extreme choices you suggest.

 

[wrearick]

Made a special trip to the wally world on Princess Anne and Lynnhaven. No problems, not followed, big yawn. The one on Phoenix is not even a super walmart like the one I went to so not sure how many people they will have pulling LP duty. I don't care what color or mix of color you are, if I saw a lady pushing a stroller down the isles in the wee hours of the morning that would arouse my suspicions - wouldn't it do the same for You?

Finally, if you decide to follow Peter Nap's challenge, I volunteer to escort you/observe your visit to any of the walmarts in the area. I will even conceal carry so I don't influence the LP focus on you. Normally working 2 jobs I couldn't manage to do this but I only work between the hours of 7AM and 11 PM so a 2AM trip I can make.

 

[wrearick]

By the way, Walmart and KMart are two seperate companies so they don't have a shared district manager or LP supervisor. KMart and Sears are owned by the same company but have totally seperate management. As a 5 year employee at Sears I see open carry all the time and our LP doesn't bat an eye. I do know we are constantly warned not to physically interfere with a shop lifter but to note description, car make/model, plate etc.

 

[sandiego]

LOL
i shop at this exact walmart 4-5 times a week
i am in an interracial relationship
i have been open carrying for a long time

i have never ever been hassled in any way shape or form there
maybe i need a couple of phd's or something

 

[peter nap]

LOL
maybe i need a couple of phd's or something

:lol::lol::banana: