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The other services haven't done a damn thing in Freedom's name since 1812.
That is a very atrocious comment.

It should bring some perspective to you that hundreds of thousandsof military personnel would be willing to lay down and die to defend your right to say such drivel.
 

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In America, you run the risk of the cops crashing into your house and removing you in the middle of the night from your bed for no reason, at all.

It's bad here.

This is true, but is this not an issue with the civilian decision makers that approve and fund these agendas? After all, these are the agendas of many politicians we mistakenly elect time and time again...
No. Moral accountability can never lie outside the actor.

As for moving, I'm trying. Nobody like Americans. Is there anywhere in Western Europe that lets Americans in with a minimum of fuss?
 

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Flintlock wrote:
smoking357 wrote:
The other services haven't done a damn thing in Freedom's name since 1812.
That is a very atrocious comment.

It should bring some perspective to you that hundreds of thousandsof military personnel would be willing to lay down and die to defend your right to say such drivel.
No. Most are ready to kill Americans that say such things. Our atrocities in uniform abroad show just what the military is ready to do at home. It's telling that so many military become cops.
 

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smoking357 wrote:
As for moving, I'm trying. Nobody like Americans. Is there anywhere in Western Europe that lets Americans in with a minimum of fuss?

I have traveled all over Europe, while on official business (USAF). I have never found what you describe, maybe it's just you. I was able to travel freely with absolutely no trouble, even in former Communist nations. Maybe it's just your attitude that turns the people of Europe off from your presence.

Where would you like to go? I will personally contribute to your moving fund. I would gladly max out my platinum card to help you on your way, with one condition, you can never return.

Tell me where you will enjoy all of the freedom that is "denied" you here in this country. I will help you get there any way that I can. It's time to put up or shut up, just let me know where you wish to be. I'm sure that I'm not the only one here who would help you on your way.
 

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Gordie wrote:
smoking357 wrote:
As for moving, I'm trying. Nobody like Americans. Is there anywhere in Western Europe that lets Americans in with a minimum of fuss?

I have traveled all over Europe, while on official business (USAF). I have never found what you describe, maybe it's just you. I was able to travel freely with absolutely no trouble, even in former Communist nations. Maybe it's just your attitude that turns the people of Europe off from your presence.

Where would you like to go? I will personally contribute to your moving fund. I would gladly max out my platinum card to help you on your way, with one condition, you can never return.

Tell me where you will enjoy all of the freedom that is "denied" you here in this country. I will help you get there any way that I can. It's time to put up or shut up, just let me know where you wish to be. I'm sure that I'm not the only one here who would help you on your way.
I'm telling you guys, you're wasting your time.

All you'll get are masterfully created strawman arguments, then when you show the facts and ask for a reply, silence ...... Then next week he'll be back. It's been going on for several weeks now you guys are defintely not going to crack this nut.
 

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Gordie wrote:
smoking357 wrote:
As for moving, I'm trying. Nobody like Americans. Is there anywhere in Western Europe that lets Americans in with a minimum of fuss?

I have traveled all over Europe, while on official business (USAF). I have never found what you describe, maybe it's just you. I was able to travel freely with absolutely no trouble, even in former Communist nations. Maybe it's just your attitude that turns the people of Europe off from your presence.

Where would you like to go? I will personally contribute to your moving fund. I would gladly max out my platinum card to help you on your way, with one condition, you can never return.

Tell me where you will enjoy all of the freedom that is "denied" you here in this country. I will help you get there any way that I can. It's time to put up or shut up, just let me know where you wish to be. I'm sure that I'm not the only one here who would help you on your way.
Are you serious? This is awesome.

Can you pull any strings to get me a permanent resident card? They won't let you move without one.
 

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WHile I do agree about the fighting for freedom part, we are indeed liberating cities in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Who liberates them from us?

HAHAHAHAHA!! WINNER!

For once (and probably only) I agree with you 100% and laugh along with you.

I also knew you'd bring up the Coast Guard drug campaigns, but, come on, give them some credit.
 

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smoking357 wrote:
Gordie wrote:
smoking357 wrote:
As for moving, I'm trying. Nobody like Americans. Is there anywhere in Western Europe that lets Americans in with a minimum of fuss?

I have traveled all over Europe, while on official business (USAF). I have never found what you describe, maybe it's just you. I was able to travel freely with absolutely no trouble, even in former Communist nations. Maybe it's just your attitude that turns the people of Europe off from your presence.

Where would you like to go? I will personally contribute to your moving fund. I would gladly max out my platinum card to help you on your way, with one condition, you can never return.

Tell me where you will enjoy all of the freedom that is "denied" you here in this country. I will help you get there any way that I can. It's time to put up or shut up, just let me know where you wish to be. I'm sure that I'm not the only one here who would help you on your way.
Are you serious? This is awesome.

Can you pull any strings to get me a permanent resident card? They won't let you move without one.
You have to tell me where first.
 

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AWDstylez wrote:
smoking357 wrote:
Dustin wrote:
WHile I do agree about the fighting for freedom part, we are indeed liberating cities in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Who liberates them from us?

HAHAHAHAHA!! WINNER!

For once (and probably only) I agree with you 100% and laugh along with you.

I also knew you'd bring up the Coast Guard drug campaigns, but, come on, give them some credit.


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What were the Iraqi people telling you when you were over there?

Oh Wait you never went.

They were saying Shukran Mushallah e' Jundi Amreiki

That's "Thank You, Praise God Soldier American"

Like I said I KNOW first hand what those people where living through while thug terrorist extremist were dominitaing their cities. Cutting of hands, raping the children. You don't kow that becuase you depend on the MEDIA for your overseas report. I don't care who they are are where they live they sure as hell don't deserve to live like that.

Do you live like with that fear? Why not? ;)

B/c of a War 200 years ago? Think again.
 

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smoking357 wrote:
smoking357 wrote:
The other services haven't done a damn thing in Freedom's name since 1812.
No. Most are ready to kill Americans that say such things. Our atrocities in uniform abroad show just what the military is ready to do at home. It's telling that so many military become cops.

I would like to thank you for validating the weeks of annual training I will spend away from my wife and children this summer, preparing to defend this nation and the people who have the freedom to write such nonsense as above.

The recurring theme amongst my fellow soldiers is that any training we get that involves actually defendingour nation (within the borders of the US) is "pray to God, hopefully a waste of time." (We all hope that we will never have to utilize such training because nothing will ever happen again such as 9/11.)

I can assure you that, in my experience, my fellow soldiers are 100% in favor of the same rights as any level headed person on this forum, and respect the Constitution at least as much as you do.

I can also assure you that I have never seen or heard of any plans to take away any rights of Americans, even after an emergency. What happened after Katrina (the gun confiscation) was a local decision stupidly made by a local authority.

More of our military is made up of 'Citizen Soldiers' than full time. Notice the placement of the words. 'Citizen' comes first. That's not by chance.
 

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Dustin wrote:
AWDstylez wrote:
smoking357 wrote:
Dustin wrote:
WHile I do agree about the fighting for freedom part, we are indeed liberating cities in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Who liberates them from us?

HAHAHAHAHA!! WINNER!

For once (and probably only) I agree with you 100% and laugh along with you.

I also knew you'd bring up the Coast Guard drug campaigns, but, come on, give them some credit.


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What were the Iraqi people telling you when you were over there?

Oh Wait you never went.



hahahhaha!!!

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WheelGun wrote:
I would like to thank you for validating the weeks of annual training I will spend away from my wife and children this summer, preparing to defend this nation and the people who have the freedom to write such nonsense as above.


hahahhah! Who are you defending us FROM?? :lol::lol::lol: The boogy man isn't real.
 

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WheelGun wrote:
I would like to thank you for validating the weeks of annual training I will spend away from my wife and children this summer, preparing to defend this nation and the people who have the freedom to write such nonsense as above.
Nothing you will do will defend my freedom, quite the reverse.

If you people are so good at "defending my freedom," how come I have almost none? Why don't you go ahead and just tell me what you think freedom is, so I can tell you whether I want it defended?

The recurring theme amongst my fellow soldiers is that any training we get that involves actually defending our nation (within the borders of the US) is "pray to God, hopefully a waste of time." (We all hope that we will never have to utilize such training because nothing will ever happen again such as 9/11.)
Which the military was completely ineffective at stopping, yet they never failed to intercept even the smallest off-course passenger plane for the preceding decade, going 0-for-4 on 9-11. Is the military only fit to intercept wayward doctors in their Beechrafts?

I can assure you that, in my experience, my fellow soldiers are 100% in favor of the same rights as any level headed person on this forum, and respect the Constitution at least as much as you do.
*cough*NewOrleans*cough* *cough*KentState*cough*

I can also assure you that I have never seen or heard of any plans to take away any rights of Americans, even after an emergency. What happened after Katrina (the gun confiscation) was a local decision stupidly made by a local authority.
And unopposed and aided by the National Guard. Where were you in New Orleans forcing the cops to stand down? That was the moment to stand up and be counted, and you went the other way. If the cops would have turned around and seen Guardsmen ready to defend freedom, freedom would be on the mend, today, and the entire tone of the country would be different. Instead, the Guard allowed one of the darkest moments in American history to occur and did nothing about it. No, thanks. I'd like my tax dollars back, please.

Where are you defending us from millions of stupid laws and out-of-control cops? It would be nice if Guard units would swoop down on cops during traffic stops and warrant executions, ready to protect our freedom from Taser- and gun-happy cops. If we had the Guard protecting us in our interactions with the police, we wouldn't have the stories of government terrorism we see every day.

More of our military is made up of 'Citizen Soldiers' than full time. Notice the placement of the words. 'Citizen' comes first. That's not by chance.
Cool, now do what we really need. We need you here. We're under attack here. We have an enemy here that has done far worse to our Liberty than any foreign power has ever done.

Where are you? Are you the militia or just another level of U.S. Army Reserves?
 

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And unopposed and aided by the National Guard. Where were you in New Orleans forcing the cops to stand down? That was the moment to stand up and be counted, and you went the other way. If the cops would have turned around and seen Guardsmen ready to defend freedom, freedom would be on the mend, today, and the entire tone of the country would be different. Instead, the Guard allowed one of the darkest moments in American history to occur and did nothing about it. No, thanks. I'd like my tax dollars back, please.

Where are you defending us from millions of stupid laws and out-of-control cops? It would be nice if Guard units would swoop down on cops during traffic stops and warrant executions, ready to protect our freedom from Taser- and gun-happy cops. If we had the Guard protecting us in our interactions with the police, we wouldn't have the stories of government terrorism we see every day.


It pains me to agree with you, but this is spot-on.
 

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Well,considering how far off track this thread has gotten, i guess it's time to throw in my $.02
smoking357 wrote:
Where are you? Are you the militia or just another level of U.S. Army Reserves
The militia, the way the founders saw it was a two fold proposition, a hybrid of the "organized" and "general" militias. The organized militias were those military units under command of, and loyal to, their States. The general militia was comprised of "each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years"

http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_act_1792.htm

now while the federal government had the authority to organize, arm, and discipline the militia, contraol of these forces rested in the hands of the governors of teh several STates until such time as they needed to be called up by the FED, and ONLY for three specific purposes; to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions. (Article 1, section 8.15 United States Constitution)

The National guard was created in order to remove power of the militias from the governors and to replace it with a federal reserve force. The same act also attempted to make those members of the "general militia" yet another reserve federal unit, effectively killing any military force not controlled by the FED.

now while I respect the American fighting man, I do not respect the war that they are being sent to wage, since it is unconstitutional. as I have already posted, the militia ( remember there is no provision in the constitution for a large standing army, as the founder understood that this was the first step to tyranny) is to ONLY be called up for three purposes. While Hussein may have been the tyrant that he is played out to be. nothing he or his regime did met the requirements for Congress to call out the militia.

secondly, how has Iraq threatened OUR freedoms? surely that regime threatened the freedoms of the Iraqi people, but since when are they citizens of the United States?
 

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While Hussein may have been the tyrant that he is played out to be. nothing he or his regime did met the requirements for Congress to call out the militia.

secondly, how has Iraq threatened OUR freedoms? surely that regime threatened the freedoms of the Iraqi people, but since when are they citizens of the United States?

That's game, set, and match right there folks.
 

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AWDstylez wrote:
unreconstructed1 wrote:
While Hussein may have been the tyrant that he is played out to be. nothing he or his regime did met the requirements for Congress to call out the militia.

secondly, how has Iraq threatened OUR freedoms? surely that regime threatened the freedoms of the Iraqi people, but since when are they citizens of the United States?

That's game, set, and match right there folks.
No, that is the view of someone who does not desire to step outside. Freedom is not a construct of the US, but an ideal that ALL persons should be allowed to enjoy. Why would you wish us to keep it to ourselves? Why would you wish us to NOT assist others?
 

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wrightme wrote:
No, that is the view of someone who does not desire to step outside. Freedom is not a construct of the US, but an ideal that ALL persons should be allowed to enjoy. Why would you wish us to keep it to ourselves? Why would you wish us to NOT assist others?
why would they not fight for it themselves? how much of a resistance movement was there to the Hussein regime? was there one? I don't wish to keep freedom to myself, but I see no reason to send American soldiers overseas to fight for a freedom that someone else isn't willing to fight for themselves. never forget, it was our efforts to "liberate" Afghanistan from the Russians that created the Bin Laden threat.
 
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