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OCer Arrested At Home

MAC702

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When they came across the trespasser on a dirt bike, they escorted him back to the house and called the Department of Natural Resources.
Uh, there are some seriously interesting details missing there.

I'd like to see the titles less misleading also. This was not the "OC" of this forum's context. Again, this was a long gun in hand.
 

Raggs

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Uh, there are some seriously interesting details missing there.

I'd like to see the titles less misleading also. This was not the "OC" of this forum's context. Again, this was a long gun in hand.

symptomatic of a greater issue, Do you think the cops would have cared if the firearm was a holstered pistol?
 

casper

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They would not have cared at all either way. Now what they probably did care about, was where's the closest Dunkin-donuts.:banana:
 

Raggs

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Sadly and because of the police, we didn't see the whole confrontation. If it went down the way we seem to think it did then I hope there would be a payoff, Ask Mr Combs how that went for him. if I were a cop who rolled up to a situation with a person with a shotgun in one hand and shells in the other I don't know if I would assume the shotgun was unloaded, and I would take precautions. We don't know what happened before the video or after, again the after part was because of the cops.
 

mirussell

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He was charged with felony assault with a deadly weapon. It wasn't said for carrying the shotgun. I would be willing to bet that the guy caught trespassing told the cops that Thomas Donald pointed the shotgun at him to escort him back and hold him for the cops. As far as i know you can't point a gun at someone for simple trespassing.
 

Samopal

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Uh, there are some seriously interesting details missing there.

I'd like to see the titles less misleading also. This was not the "OC" of this forum's context. Again, this was a long gun in hand.


He was charged with felony assault with a deadly weapon. It wasn't said for carrying the shotgun. I would be willing to bet that the guy caught trespassing told the cops that Thomas Donald pointed the shotgun at him to escort him back and hold him for the cops. As far as i know you can't point a gun at someone for simple trespassing.

You guys are right, the guy committed a crime and now he's paying for it. You can't detain someone at gunpoint and hold them for trespassing; Michigan only allows a citizen's arrest for felonies, unless you're a business owner or employee detaining a shoplifter. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(qo...leg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-764-16

What the guy did when police arrived is completely unrelated to his charges. He's just abusing the strong community OCers have and trying to garner sympathy by pandering to us and making it seem like he's being charged for carrying. He is not.
 

Michigander

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If on the other hand is deemed reasonably likely that he did not draw a bead on the trespasser, I am up for a road trip some weekend if anyone in that region wants to stage a protest. Set it up on a saturday or sunday, and I will be there.
 
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DocWalker

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You guys are right, the guy committed a crime and now he's paying for it. You can't detain someone at gunpoint and hold them for trespassing; Michigan only allows a citizen's arrest for felonies, unless you're a business owner or employee detaining a shoplifter. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(qo...leg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-764-16

What the guy did when police arrived is completely unrelated to his charges. He's just abusing the strong community OCers have and trying to garner sympathy by pandering to us and making it seem like he's being charged for carrying. He is not.

Since we were not there I can't speculate as to what the trespasser or the land owner did prior to the cops arrival. What I can see is that the 410 was empty when the cops arrived, this tells me he didn't have the trespasser at gun point at least when the cops arrived. Who to believe the trespasser or the word of the land owner and the guy with him and his wife......hmmm three people against a trespasser? I would tend to belive the land owner.

As for after the event, what the cops did was criminal....it is no less than assult on the woman and her freedoms. This is a civil case that they will get paid. The DA will try to trade dropping the charges if they agree to not sue them, but I hope they don't. If I was on the jury the land owner would go free with a very very fat wallet. The frustrating thing is as a juror you can't fire the bad cops.
 

Samopal

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Since we were not there I can't speculate as to what the trespasser or the land owner did prior to the cops arrival. What I can see is that the 410 was empty when the cops arrived, this tells me he didn't have the trespasser at gun point at least when the cops arrived. Who to believe the trespasser or the word of the land owner and the guy with him and his wife......hmmm three people against a trespasser? I would tend to belive the land owner.

As for after the event, what the cops did was criminal....it is no less than assult on the woman and her freedoms. This is a civil case that they will get paid. The DA will try to trade dropping the charges if they agree to not sue them, but I hope they don't. If I was on the jury the land owner would go free with a very very fat wallet. The frustrating thing is as a juror you can't fire the bad cops.

I agree that the cops were out of line for threatening the woman and trying to delete her video, no arguments there.

The problem is the guy was charged with assault with a deadly weapon. Let's put two and two together here and presume that charge is related to him "escorting" the trespasser back to his house. Whether or not the gun was unloaded and whether or not he pointed the weapon at the trespasser, he still illegally detained him while possessing a firearm. In Michigan a citizen cannot arrest someone (which he did) for trespassing.

Again, not siding with the cops, they were in the wrong too, but every article states the man was armed and hunting with his son, came across a trespasser, and illegally detained him. It doesn't take Sherlock to deduce that that's where the criminal charges come in.
 

Mr Birdman

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threatening the woman and trying to delete her video, no arguments there.

The problem is the guy was charged with assault with a deadly weapon. Let's put two and two together here and presume that charge is related to him "escorting" the trespasser back to his house. Whether or not the gun was unloaded and whether or not he pointed the weapon at the trespasser, he still illegally detained him while possessing a firearm. In Michigan a citizen cannot arrest someone (which he did) for trespassing.

Again, not siding with the cops, they were in the wrong too, but every article states the man was armed and hunting with his son, came across a trespasser, and illegally detained him. It doesn't take Sherlock to deduce that that's where the criminal charges come in.[/QUOTE]

This is nuts. Some thing very similar happened to me 8 years ago. I was legally hunting in a county park and sure enough a dork on a dirt bike comes riding through the field I was hunting in. I stood up so he could see my orange, and he still rode right up to me. I called the cops because it is not lawful to ride in the park. Cops get there and he told them I was threatening him and pointing my unloaded muzzle loader at him and would shoot him if he tried to leave. Cops took my MZ and charged me with harassing him. Judge asked me why didn't I put my 700$ MZ down in the snow? So he would not be so frightened. I told him I should not have to hide my gun when some dumb dork rides through the park. Imaging that using a gun to deer hunt in the gun season. I guess I should have known some dumb dork would show up and be afraid of the big bad man hunting with a gun.
 

22Luke36

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Uh, there are some seriously interesting details missing there.

I'd like to see the titles less misleading also. This was not the "OC" of this forum's context. Again, this was a long gun in hand.
It matters.
symptomatic of a greater issue, Do you think the cops would have cared if the firearm was a holstered pistol?

Nope.


How does anyone know that he illegally detained anyone? We simply do not know this. There is nothing ilegal about a criminal thinking that he can't leave when in fact, he was free to go the whole time.
 

xmanhockey7

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She's allowed to record I can't believe they would take it from her like that and have it deleted. That officer should be charged if that is indeed what happened.
 
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