Bronson
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Bronson wrote:
Again, I'm not trying to belittle your handling of it. It's a stressful and frustrating thing to go throughand it's easy tomake a slip of the tongue. Which iswhy it's probably better to sayas little as possible to them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
Be safe,
Bronson
Bronson wrote:
cmdr_iceman71 wrote:Close but not quite right.if an establishment is licensed to sell liquor then you cannot conceal in that establishment.
If the establishment is licensed to sellalcohol you may not OPEN carry, without a CPL anywhere on their property. With a CPL you may open or conceal carry unless the establishment earns the majority of their income from the sale of alcohol to be consumed on the pemises then you may NOT conceal.
Without CPL:
No OC if licensed to sellalcohol and obviously no concealing.
Unless you have permission from the owner or agent of the owner to possess the firearm, then you may OC....get it in writing.
With CPL:
May OC or CC if majority of income isnot generated by the sale of consumable alcohol.
If the majority of income IS genertated by consumable alcohol then you may NOT conceal, you must OC.
Bronson
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I wasn't trying to berate you or belittle your handling of the situation. I was only trying to make sure you were aware of the wording of the law because based on your own statement your understanding appeared incorrect. You also quoted the law incorrectly to the officer and then backed up that incorrect information with the weight of Michigan Open Carry's name.Unfortunately if that officer double checksor already knows the actual wording of the law your erroneous statement will make her doubt the validity of everything you and, by extension, other Michigan Open Carry members have to say on the subject.Yes, I know all of that but you weren’t standing there in front of her when she was being dismissive and impatient with my every reply hence I was trying to speak as succinctly as possible before she cut me off again.
What’s more I asked this very same question to the attorney that came to my CPL class to teach the legal portion that I’m about to ask now and I have yet to have anyone answer it to my satisfaction and that is:
"How is the average CCing patron supposed to know whether the establishment they are patronizing earns 50% or more of their income via alcohol/liquor sales. What are they supposed to do; ask to see their accounting books? If they guess incorrectly then they will have violated their CPL."
Again, I'm not trying to belittle your handling of it. It's a stressful and frustrating thing to go throughand it's easy tomake a slip of the tongue. Which iswhy it's probably better to sayas little as possible to them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
Be safe,
Bronson