New AR15 :)

[kaiheitai17]

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Joed757 wrote:

Mainsail wrote:

I started mine over a year ago as I had fears that what's happening would happen. I didn't notice which upper you had selected, but I suggest a mid-length gas sytem if you're going to go with a 16" barrrel.

This is what Im talking about. i would rather pay for parts and get this type. Any prices for me? Maybe if you can do it I'll pay you for yourlabor. I rather pay my fellow Open carrier's than a stranger.

Heck, build it yourself. It's not all that difficult. Check out AR15.com and this thread, Assemble your own LOWER, UPPER, FREE FLOAT, TRIGGER, GAS BLOCK - Step by step instructions!,http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=226782

And there are "arfcommers" in your area who might be willing to help you out if you ask nicely and provide the beer.

I'd help but it would take a lot of beer for me to drive down to Norfolk.

 

[LEO 229]

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Bill in VA wrote:

LEO 229 wrote:

I find it hard to believe that you can take a receiver and flip flop between a rifle and pistol at any time. I see the entry on the form and this is new territory for me. ...
So is it your position that you can make it a transformer? Making it more than meets the eye? :lol:

LEO, no offense, but you seem to have some real reading comprehension problems.Nowhere did I say one could flip-flop between a rifle and a pistol at will. A factory-fresh receiver, straight out of the CNC mill is a firearm, but it is neither a rifle nor a hand gun at that point and can be used to build a rifle or a hand gun.

The bottom line is: Untilthe receiveris built into a rifle it can be used to built either a rifle or a handgun. Once it is built into a rifle, it IS a rifle, even if all other parts are removed from it later on down the line in the future.

At that point, if one desires to turn itinto a firearm that resembles in handgun in all but name it's still a rifle, but a short-barrelled rifle. However,once the receiver is built into either a rifle or a hand gun, it is still not "registered as a rifle (or hand gun)" unless it's registered as an NFA device*in the NFRTR. There is no federal or VA state registry of rifles or hand guns. This is an honor code thing and can possibly be verified by the manufacturer. I.e., a manufacturer can verify during a BATF trace that the weapon in question left their factory as a stripped receiver, a completed rifle, or a hand gun. But beyond the NFRTR there is no rifle or hand gun registry.

*Note that "NFA device" is a term used to emcompass all NFA-regulated goodies...suppressors and machineguns, short-barrelled rifles and shotguns, AOWs, anddestructive devices (big bore and explosive), etc...



EOM

Traditionally when someone says "No offense" it really means... "I am about to offend you" Thanks for the insult.

I read and comprehend just fine. It actually appears that YOU that have the problem!

Listen while I speak s.l.o.w.l.y...... :lol:

You were saying a receiver is neither a rifle or pistol. I understood that.

My point was that you could go ahead and build your rifle.

Next year you take it all apart and now make a pistol.

Who is going to know it was a rifle previously?

In this I identified you could flip flop between the two.

I asked if you agreed that it could be built either way. If you could transform from one to the other since it is not identified as either.

Do you now comprehend? :?


You recently identified:

"Untilthe receiveris built into a rifle it can be used to built either a rifle or a handgun. Once it is built into a rifle, it IS a rifle, even if all other parts are removed from it later on down the line in the future."

Once a rifle, always a rifle?

I suspect this is not true at all if it is not logged in some manner. I can easily make it a rifle or pistol at any time. Changing monthly. Nobody will know I ever made it into a rifle before I made it into a pistol.

 

[Joed757]

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kaiheitai17 wrote:

Joed757 wrote:

Mainsail wrote:

I started mine over a year ago as I had fears that what's happening would happen.  I didn't notice which upper you had selected, but I suggest a mid-length gas sytem if you're going to go with a 16" barrrel.

This is what Im talking about. i would rather pay for parts and get this type. Any prices for me? Maybe if you can do it I'll pay you for yourlabor. I rather pay my fellow Open carrier's than a stranger.

Heck, build it yourself.  It's not all that difficult.  Check out AR15.com and this thread, Assemble your own LOWER, UPPER, FREE FLOAT, TRIGGER, GAS BLOCK - Step by step instructions! , http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=226782

And there are "arfcommers" in your area who might be willing to help you out if you ask nicely and provide the beer.

I'd help but it would take a lot of beer for me to drive down to Norfolk.

Well I guess I'm going to stop joking around and start pricing and buying parts soon. I'm too much of and AR fan to settle for the AK-47 but the beer issue shouldn't be that bad.I'm only 20 so I won't be able to buy it but I spend 40-50 on grey goose vodka and 99 oranges so beer shouldn't be that much I have never priced it.

 

[kaiheitai17]

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Joed757 wrote:

kaiheitai17 wrote:

This is what Im talking about. i would rather pay for parts and get this type. Any prices for me? Maybe if you can do it I'll pay you for yourlabor. I rather pay my fellow Open carrier's than a stranger.

Heck, build it yourself. It's not all that difficult. Check out AR15.com and this thread, Assemble your own LOWER, UPPER, FREE FLOAT, TRIGGER, GAS BLOCK - Step by step instructions!Â,Âhttp://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=226782

And there are "arfcommers" in your area who might be willing to help you out if you ask nicely and provide the beer.

I'd help but it would take a lot of beer for me to drive down to Norfolk.

Well I guess I'm going to stop joking around and start pricing and buying parts soon. I'm too much of and AR fan to settle for the AK-47 but the beer issue shouldn't be that bad.I'm only 20 so I won't be able to buy it but I spend 40-50 on grey goose vodka and 99 oranges so beer shouldn't be that much I have never priced it.

Oh man, you're only 20? Crap, you can't buy a stripped lower from a dealer. You have to be 21, because the stripped lower is neither a rifle or a pistol but it can be built into a pistol. Therefore FFLs can not transfer a stripped lower to you. Now, having said that, you can purchase a stripped lower from an individual. If you can find someone willing to sell. Another option is purchase all of the other parts and then purchase the lower when you turn 21.