NC OC experience reports

[FlyBoy276]

2 recent experiences

1. A few weeks ago, I was at my local Harris Teeter, looking over their lack of a meat selection, when a guy approaches and says something along the lines of, "Oh wow, another open carrier!" I look at his side, back up, and look at his other side..nothing. I forget his reason why he wasn't carrying at that moment, but we chatted for a brief moment, and he stated he is actually a member of the forums, but frequents it so little that he doesn't remember his username (I don't question it..he was the one that brought up the site).

2. Last night, as I was walking to the aforementioned Harris Teeter (it's literally around the corner) at around 9:30PM, a beat up, 80's model Honda Civic filled with a bunch of unsavory characters goes speeding past my left, through the strip mall. The driver sees me, lays on the horn, and backs up to about 25' from me. The following exchange occurs:

Him: You be buyin' steaks?
Me: *shakes head no*
Him: You don't eat steak!?
Me: Nah. *I start to walk away*
Him: You KNOW you eat steak, you <insert insult here>..
Me: *turns back around..passenger notices 1911*
Passenger: Yo, he got a GUN on him!

The driver then speeds off, and yells something at me that I can't understand.

 

[heckle]

$0 would have been my tip for her, and I would have also asked to speak with a manager.

Leaving no tip makes you look cheap or that you forgot. A better way to show that you did not forget is to take a $20 and rip or cut off part of one end (about 1/2") that shows the denomination and then leave that (which shows what the tip would have been). What you have left is a spendable $20 bill. If nothing else, you can take it to a bank and exchange it for a whole one. You need one whole serial number and 1/2 of the other to still be a legal bill (clearly more than half).

 

[solus]

standing in the local KFC waiting for my order and a mature woman of color walked in, looked at my hip, and immediately asked if i was a cop. nope was my response, then tried to explain about how good the state is on OC'g for it's citizens and was interrupted mid-sentence with 'ya, sometimes you need a gun when you go places you shouldn't be'. i decided to quit while i was ahead especially when the manager called her by name, and she immediately said: 'don't you ever use my name in public again! he looked quite surprised and sheepishly said...'ok'.

i on the other hand was truly quite taken back with her response.

ipse

 

[BlowMonkey5]

OCed in...Smithfield's chicken & bbq in Knightdale this past weekend. Had an older couple ask me where I got my holster and if it was custom made. (they are both lefties like myself). told them it was custom made and how to contact the company. had a nice 10 minute conservation about guns and OCing. everyone in the place was looking at us(me) at the end of the talk. I gave the couple a tri-fold and the husband said he will check out the site. overall, it was a good experience.

 

[solus]

came rolling around the curve past the traffic lights at Cherry and saw several vehicles w/blue lights and officers standing in the middle of the road. pulled up and was asked by the GOLDSBORO LE for my DL, which i proffered w/CHP, i didn't say a word, officer flinched when he saw CHP but he didn't say a word to me. LE handed them back then stating have a good day? no explanation was offered why GPD was running a full blown id check in the middle of the day, but i drove on.

ipse

 

[1245A Defender]

Wowwie!!!

came rolling around the curve past the traffic lights at Cherry and saw several vehicles w/blue lights and officers standing in the middle of the road. pulled up and was asked by the GOLDSBORO LE for my DL, which i proffered w/CHP, i didn't say a word, officer flinched when he saw CHP but he didn't say a word to me. LE handed them back then stating have a good day? no explanation was offered why GPD was running a full blown id check in the middle of the day, but i drove on.

ipse

Sad it makes me,, to see that you "just gave it all up" to an illegal ID demand!...

 

[solus]

Sad it makes me,, to see that you "just gave it all up" to an illegal ID demand!...

thank you, thank you so much master yoda, please know your comments are so heartfelt, appreciated, and provide so much thoughtful rational based and logical & critical thinking skills and yet, provided the knowledge in such a small amount of words. please know this humble peon is truly thankful, you, in fact, took time out of your busy day to provide such splendid ...(cough cough cough...puking up a rather large hair ball)

which part are you objecting to? please 1245ADefender, please advise me where YOU feel i want awry in my encounter...

let me recount the situation for your thoughtful consideration: i was armed w/OC firearm on my hip since the vehicle's passenger seat was occupied, (for every conceivable intent and purposes therefore by NC statutes considered a concealed firearm) approached by a LE in the performance of his official duties, who asked for my id. yepper that's the situation in it's entirety.

to assist you further in proffering a viable response since you only criticized, allow me to direct you to what the NC AG has stated in NORTH CAROLINA FIREARMS LAWS, section III D :
quote .... North Carolina law does not specifically address how to transport a weapon in an automobile. .... Therefore, the central question becomes: when is the weapon concealed and readily accessible to an occupant of an automobile? The principal drawback, of course, is in the event of an individual being stopped by a law enforcement official, the officer may not readily know that individual's purpose and intent for carrying a weapon. As such, it is imperative that an individual immediately notify an officer of the presence of any weapon in the automobile, for the officer's and the vehicle's occupants' safety. unquote.

14-415-11(a) snip. quote: The person shall carry the permit together with valid identification whenever the person is carrying a concealed handgun, shall disclose to any law enforcement officer that the person holds a valid permit and is carrying a concealed handgun when approached or addressed by the officer, and shall display both the permit and the proper identification upon the request of a law enforcement officer. unquote.

now 1245A defender, i await your rational to explain, in my humble opinion, your unwarranted criticism.

always remember Falstaff's famous response to Prince Hal line in Henry IV, part I...

ipse

 

[jtitus07]

came rolling around the curve past the traffic lights at Cherry and saw several vehicles w/blue lights and officers standing in the middle of the road. pulled up and was asked by the GOLDSBORO LE for my DL, which i proffered w/CHP, i didn't say a word, officer flinched when he saw CHP but he didn't say a word to me. LE handed them back then stating have a good day? no explanation was offered why GPD was running a full blown id check in the middle of the day, but i drove on.

ipse

I've had that happen to me out there before. Officer asked for "ID" so I handed him my military ID...to which he then asked if I had a DL and I offered up....guess I was kind of in a smartass mood that day lol. This was before I carried though so no firearm interaction.

Same thing though....after he looked at ID, he handed it back and said have a nice day.....and this was at like 1pm in the middle of the week so its not line it was a DUI check or something.

 

[1245A Defender]

Wowwie!!!

Sooo,,,, maybe you solus,,, and the NC AG should take the time to remember that,
an AG OPINION,, is not a law... It is not worth a used tissue...
NC is not a Duty to Notify state...
Annnnd,,, This Country is NOT a "Papers Please" nazi haven!

Preserve, Protect and Defend our Constitution!

Study you must, OUR 4th Amendment Right Against Unreasonable Search and Seizure.

 

[bc.cruiser]

Sooo,,,, maybe you solus,,, and the NC AG should take the time to remember that,
an AG OPINION,, is not a law... It is not worth a used tissue...
NC is not a Duty to Notify state...
Annnnd,,, This Country is NOT a "Papers Please" nazi haven!

Preserve, Protect and Defend our Constitution!

Study you must, OUR 4th Amendment Right Against Unreasonable Search and Seizure.

Solus posted the applicable General Statute: 14-415.11, under which a person carrying a concealed handgun must notify the LEO when approached; his rationale is that he believed he was carrying a concealed handgun. Whether you or I agree is of no import.

 

[REDFIVE48]

unfortunately it seems the SCOTUS has ruled that these safety / DUI stops are constitutional when driving a motor vehicle (privilege), as long as they are consistent in application of who gets asked. While I don't like submitting to them either, that is unfortunately the way it is when using our privelege cards (drivers licenses).

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[Jamesm760]

Indeed, driving is a privilage. When I encounter checkpoints, I will have my DL ready. I also let them know I have gun/guns in the vehicle (in case they didn't already figured I had some with the stickers on my window). They always look at my license and then tell me to have a good night. They don't ask any stupid questions... Must be the "Don't tread on me sticker"

Can't say I've ever had bad encounter with a LEO... I had a bad encounter with a security guard once. Hmmm that was a fun night.

 

[solus]

12345BDefender, et al, there is nothing to remember, the quote was provided to you as an out-of-stater to understand the AG, in this document, is informing the good NC citizens, since as the AG points out there are no NC statutes covering transportation of firearms (such as in the evergreen state), it is prudent to err on the side of providing the knowledge to LE there is a firearm handily available in the vehicle to it's occupants vice having me deal with a tragic aftermath involving a 'misunderstanding' shooting with an overzealous LE.

while you are correct to point out, thanks to your research on Wiki i am sure, we are not a 'must' id state, it is however, it is mandatory for the vehicle's operator to provide a DL since in the tarheel state it is considered a privilege to be able to drive and as such is covered by NC Statute 20-29 which states you must: quote "Any person operating or in charge of a motor vehicle, when requested by an officer in uniform, ... produce his license and exhibit same to such officer or such other person for the purpose of examination, ...." unquote.

like the majority of the states in the Union have similar caveats on their citizens who are granted the privilege to operate a vehicle on their highways and byways with their state. I am sure even in the Evergreen state. :why look, here it is: RCW 46.20.017 quote "Every licensee shall have his or her driver's license in his or her immediate possession at all times when operating a motor vehicle and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person when and if required by law to do so." unquote

please do all of us a huge favor and record your next encounter with a WSP and your refusal to provide a DL...i am sure the entertainment value will be Emmy nomination worthy.

ipse

please in the future, make sure your zealous constitution watching is tempered with common sense to which the citizen is following state statutes which is further adjudicated against the individual's specific situation.

 

[Afrowq]

let me recount the situation for your thoughtful consideration: i was armed w/OC firearm on my hip since the vehicle's passenger seat was occupied, (for every conceivable intent and purposes therefore by NC statutes considered a concealed firearm) approached by a LE in the performance of his official duties, who asked for my id. yepper that's the situation in it's entirety.
ipse

I always take my handgun from my hip and put it on the dashboard when stopped by cops (before they come to my door, of course). It can't be considered concealed on the dashboard.

 

[Jamesm760]

I always take my handgun from my hip and put it on the dashboard when stopped by cops (before they come to my door, of course). It can't be considered concealed on the dashboard.

Just so you know, they watch what you are doing as soon as they pull you over. Moving around the way you do to unholster then put it on the dash... might make them feel a little on edge. When they see your gun on the dash, they may or may not figure out that the reason why you were moving around so much was to unholster your gun and put it on the dash just so they could see it. If conversation begins, and you tell them that you were putting it on your dash, then that means that you are in a way saying you knew that you were concealing it before putting it on the dash, then I would hope you have a CHP. hmmm. Too many scenarios... you don't know what kind of LEO you will encounter.

Before I got a CHP, I put my on the dash before I began the car ride and then reholstered once I was getting out of the car. Now I just leave it on my hip. One time though I got pulled over by highway patrol before getting my CHP and had it on my hip. He came from the passenger side and I told him, "Just in case you didn't notice, I am lawfully open carrying on my person" and he didn't care. He still gave me a speeding ticket... but at least he did not attempt to disarm me or get me out of my car.

 

[Resto Guy]

First let me preface by saying I'm new to the forum and OC but I've learned so much after reading through this thread. So thanks to everyone for your knowledge, wisdom and endless sarcasm.

I've been OCing for a couple months now regularly in the Washington/Greenville area with absolutely no encounters until this past weekend. While walking through the Greenville mal with my wife, her mother and sister, I was approached by a security guard who inquired "Excuse me, are you a LEO?" "No sir, why?" He began to inform me that there was a strict No Gun policy (my first thought being "than why even ask if I'm LEO?" But I held my tongue) and that I would need to leave my gun in the car. I politely refuted that I've entered the mall multiple times, doing due diligence to look for No Gun signage and have never seen any or had any problems carrying in the mall before. He told me there were signs and after asking him to he led me to one. Located in between the outside doors and the entrance doors (in that little lobby type area) off about 15 feet to the right and around the corner he pointed out the mall policy stating "Display of weapons, IN A THREATENING MANNER, is prohibited. Well that opened up a new can of worms. I asked first how I had been threatening and second, why this, the only sign, was not conspicuously displayed? He continued with "it really means no guns at all." Well that's not how they taught me to read in kindergarten but thanks for educating me. I of course asked to speak with a manger on duty but there were none because it was a weekend. I was directed to the head SG only to have the same conversation, insulting my knowledge of the English language. I will say one good thing, the head SG was very polite and instructed me to call the General Manager during business hours saying that if enough people made a stand a change could come of it. I intend to do just that. I called yesterday with no luck and will do so again today, and again and again until I reach him. I will update everyone on the conversation as well as post the name and number for all my Greenville OC friends to make the call as well.

Sorry I was lengthy.

I would love to hear how this turns out. Nevermind that there is a sporting goods store in the mall that sells hand guns.
Please update us as to any conversation you have had with the GM.

 

[BlowMonkey5]

Wal-mart after dark

Went to the wally world in Wake Forest on Sat. night. I hadn't been there after the sun went down in a long time. It's amazing what a few hours and lack of sunlight can do to a store. OC'ed as usual, no problems....however, the "people-watching" was great.

 

[beardandbrass]

I would love to hear how this turns out. Nevermind that there is a sporting goods store in the mall that sells hand guns.
Please update us as to any conversation you have had with the GM.

Actually per the direction of many of the main forum members I stopped trying to contact the GM after many unsuccessful attempts. While a change could take place I don't want to encourage stricter rules or anti gun signage. I still openly carry in Belk as my wife frequents (see: lives in) there, as well as Dunhams to view aforementioned handguns. But as for now we will no longer patronize any stores within the main mall area.

 

[solus]

Went to the wally world in Wake Forest on Sat. night. I hadn't been there after the sun went down in a long time. It's amazing what a few hours and lack of sunlight can do to a store. OC'ed as usual, no problems....however, the "people-watching" was great.

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ for your viewing pleasure...you are quite right...the stores are a magnet for the 'unique and unusal'

ipse

 

[solus]

toddled to Sam's in Goldsboro yesterday and saw another citizen wearing a pink shirt w/breast cancer ribbon on it, shorts and a firearm on his hips as he and his partner checked out...watched other customer's reactions who ignored both of us open carrying.

ipse