National Collegiate Empty Holster Protest - Press Release & T-Shirt Information

[CA_Libertarian]

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vmathis12019 wrote:

...We all know, that unless we plan to form a revolution, change ain't gonna happen over night.

You are cordially invited to join the Second American Revolution.

We've been compromising our rights for the last 200+ years; I say it is time to stop compromising.

 

[Demarest]

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@Wynder: I think I'm done with you. You continue to make unAmerican statements that are teeming with self-interest, and have been insulting from the get go.

The shootings you mentioned were against victims that didn't have the choice as to whether or not to be victims. So we're not at all talking about the same thing.

Stating that free is free is NOT rocking the boat. What we have is a coward expressing every possible reason to allow for defeat simply because it wouldn't overlap with his own desires.

But the straw that broke the camel's back was the suggestion that your right to life is more important because you spend more time someplace. I sincerely hope you step down as an educator as you continue to demonstrate that you are uncaring and unfit to have the lives of others at your disposal as an educator does. Worst of all, your self-interest may very well impact the rights of others, my countrymen, and potentially even myself one day.

Good day.

 

[WhiteFeather]

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Bravo Gentlemen! Although you may not relize it you kept that very civil. I think you should both be commended for doing so. And I'm not being sarcastic. I have seen less heated debates reduced to name callings within one or two replys.

I think however a rather over looked topic broke out in the conversation and it should be addressed.

Mindset and change.

I think perhaps the views of some people are rather limited and short. The argument that OC offends people and iscommon place has gone answered however ignored in this thread. For starters you cannot protect a right you yourself do not exercise. And people will never ever get acustom to something that does not take place. You can argue from now until the laws are changed but we live in a society of knee jerk reactions. If someone on campus OC'ed and it was reported to the authorities and the authorities made it clear that it was ok the reaction would end. Not right away and that scenario may play out more than a few times. But sooner or later people would get the point. That same issue is true in any aspect. If people stand up and OC and have it made clear that it is perfectly legal it will become acceptable in society and the entire argument that OC'ing causes public panic would be null and void.

Moving on, I can not fathom why the argumentthat studentsat a college are being viewed as unintelligent, let alone society as a whole. Mr. Wynder I am not picking a fight with you but for a person to choose to persue higher edgucation it speaks much of their intelligence. And Ithink that assuming the mental abilities of somone you could not possibly get to know is very small minded.

Now with that being said this conversation has not taken geographical location into account. You speak of a college in a small state surrounded by a lot of industry. On a more national prospect there are far more rural colleges than their are urban and those colleges are going to have a large population of people who are on a daily basis are exposed to firearms and safe handling. And to insist that these people take a class is insulting. And I don't think anyone should have more rights than anyone else. There is no need to have to pay for a class to have the right to defend yourself.

But moving on past that notion I want to again take the future into account. Given time if carrying a firearm became more common place as it should, people would be taught safe firearms handling from a very young age and having that instilled would go farther than any ten hour class could possibly go.

Finally I would to state as a personal belief that having to register, provide references, make public announcement, and go through any type of training on your own funds, is an abomination. The moment you take your first breath into this world youhave rights. And the fundamental right to defend your life should not need any other mans approval to do so.

 

[Demarest]

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Thank you for your post. There was one other thing I don't think you mentioned that is important to visit here. It's not attractive, but it's the truth. Today's PC society has us believing that we have the "right" to never be offended. It's simply not true. We have over 600 million people in this nation, from all walks of life, upbringing, belief structures, etc. The idea that you could live your life and never be offended is preposterous.

Thanks to open carry, I've been in situations where a fellow ____-goer went from offended to impressed. Impressed to know that he still had rights. Impressed to know that guns aren't the end of the world. Impressed to know that X guns exist, and a lot of them are in the "right hands."

Remember: Open carry is also protected under your First Amendment rights

 

[vtme_grad98]

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Wynder wrote:

CA_Libertarian wrote:

Your psychological comfort is not more important than your students' rights.

No. Once again, property rights are.

Bear in mind that most of the campus' where protests like this have been occuring are not private property. The protests in Virginia haven't been about private colleges and universities banning firearms. They have been about PUBLIC universities deciding that, even though it is legal to be armed there, students and faculty will be expelled or fired if they choose to exercise their rights.

As far as I'm concerned, if a university accepts public funds, they shouldn't be allowed to set up rules that trample the rights of their students and faculty.

 

[BarryKirk]

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Wynder wrote:

It's not my decision; however, once again, it's PRIVATE PROPERTY and the property owners have a right to regulate anyone, anyway they wish under penalty of tresspass or, in this case, expulsion.

Private property? Any collage or university that is NOT receiving state or federal funds is private property.

The moment a colage or university starts receiving government funds, it becomes a branch of the government to a certain extent and therefore not entirely private.

Why should the taxpayors be forced to support a collage or university that is delibertly setting up a situation where they are putting people's lives in danger?

 

[imperialism2024]

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BarryKirk wrote:

Wynder wrote:

It's not my decision; however, once again, it's PRIVATE PROPERTY and the property owners have a right to regulate anyone, anyway they wish under penalty of tresspass or, in this case, expulsion.

Private property? Any collage or university that is NOT receiving state or federal funds is private property.

The moment a colage or university starts receiving government funds, it becomes a branch of the government to a certain extent and therefore not entirely private.

Why should the taxpayors be forced to support a collage or university that is delibertly setting up a situation where they are putting people's lives in danger?

That's a good point that I hadn't really thought of. We're also the taxpayers who pay for civil suits when someone gets shot because of their fatal gun bans.

 

[FaithEsther]

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Well, well, isn't this forum hopping. I just completed a week of empty holster carry at a state community college in Ohio. I spent $115 bucks at Staples to make nice color copies and two hours putting up signs around campus Monday and all were down except the ones in the student activity center. The administration and I will be having a chat about THAT. Really, very few people noticed the empty holster and the couple who did took my flyers and read them. On Monday, quite a few people looked at the signs until they disappeared by Tuesday. I'll be having a chat with a lawyer if the administration had a problem with the content since my tax dollars go to support the theoretical free and equal exchange of ideas at the college. I hope they were taken down for some "reason" such as that I put them up on the "wrong" bulletin boards, but I noticed the student ads for the bake sales, the Marines, and the newspaper subscriptions stayed up, so if any of you are lawyers and want to help me out in a little civil rights abuses, I'll take all the help I can get. Not interested in going to court, but "scaring" them with a letter would be nice. I am 26 years old and going for my pistol instructor cert., not excactly a wild eyed nut whom they should censure and/or censor. Anyone else carry an empty holster at colleges across Ohio and how did it go? The Toledo Blade had an anti-SCCC article which I will be contacting them about, and the Fremont "News Mess" had a "neutral" (but quoted two anti-s and one pro) article about SCCC.

 

[imperialism2024]

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FaithEsther wrote:

Well, well, isn't this forum hopping. I just completed a week of empty holster carry at a state community college in Ohio. I spent $115 bucks at Staples to make nice color copies and two hours putting up signs around campus Monday and all were down except the ones in the student activity center. The administration and I will be having a chat about THAT. Really, very few people noticed the empty holster and the couple who did took my flyers and read them. On Monday, quite a few people looked at the signs until they disappeared by Tuesday. I'll be having a chat with a lawyer if the administration had a problem with the content since my tax dollars go to support the theoretical free and equal exchange of ideas at the college. I hope they were taken down for some "reason" such as that I put them up on the "wrong" bulletin boards, but I noticed the student ads for the bake sales, the Marines, and the newspaper subscriptions stayed up, so if any of you are lawyers and want to help me out in a little civil rights abuses, I'll take all the help I can get. Not interested in going to court, but "scaring" them with a letter would be nice. I am 26 years old and going for my pistol instructor cert., not excactly a wild eyed nut whom they should censure and/or censor. Anyone else carry an empty holster at colleges across Ohio and how did it go? The Toledo Blade had an anti-SCCC article which I will be contacting them about, and the Fremont "News Mess" had a "neutral" (but quoted two anti-s and one pro) article about SCCC.

At a college I used to go to, one needed a stamp, literally, of approval for one's signs or posters by the college, mainly to curtail the problem of littered bulletin boards and walls.