You mean when it comes to firearm rights and privileges, right? The whole of Liberty is taking a beating. Patriot acts, NDAA, drones, "shelter in place", "free speech zones", etc.
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March on Washington 07-04-2013
- Thread starter Fuller Malarkey
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I do except that I think, and have expressed from the beginning, that the way the march is being done is foolish.
Mark my words, eye; if all areas of encroachment on Liberty aren't addressed in this nation, the People will become too oppressed to fight tyranny in our government by peaceful means. Guns alone aren't enough to successfully beat down a tyrant. If it were then there would only be the Second Amendment. Ironically, in the attempt to avoid the People having to use the RKBA to restore Liberty, those who have went out of their way to hinder this march are playing into walking the nation down a path which leads to an inevitable and messy correction. Without the other freedoms, brute force is all that the People will have and they will be desperate
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
No they are not quartering troops physically in our homes.
They have found a way around that, by stealing our money to pay for their quartering, the effect is very similar. The reason quartering was so bad was because the troop took sustenance from your family, and then also found employment in your area taking jobs away from your family. Taxing to pay for these things has the same effect.
eye95
Well-known member
It is still NOT quartering in homes.
That was the very specific grievance. Not that troops were being quartered. (They kinda have to be, somewhere.) It was that people were being forced to accept them into their homes. That is not happening.
So...NO check on this one,.
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That was the very specific grievance. Not that troops were being quartered. (They kinda have to be, somewhere.) It was that people were being forced to accept them into their homes. That is not happening.
So...NO check on this one,.
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Which falls outside the parameters of OCDO, which is focused on promoting and defending the open carry of holstered handgun in our everyday lives.
Also, strictly speaking, OCDO is not a free speech, anything goes, zone. This forum is the private property of the site owners and thereby subject to their rules and good graces.
Right, which neither of us, as far as I can tell, were in violation thereof. You made the statement, "Because we have the momentum - things are getting progressively better IMHO." That is subjective. If one were to look at only gun rights and privileges then I could agree. However, in the big picture, long term concept of gun rights things are not "getting progressively better", IMHO. Rights do not exist in a vacuum and that was my point.
Now, nowhere did I claim or even infer that OCDO is a "free speech, anything goes, zone." If I did, please quote it. If I'm violating the rules then moderate me. If you simply don't agree and don't wish to answer then please ignore me or tell me to ****.
** All typed with half a grin and holding a peace flower.
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Right, which neither of us, as far as I can tell, were in violation thereof. You made the statement, "Because we have the momentum - things are getting progressively better IMHO." That is subjective. If one were to look at only gun rights and privileges then I could agree. However, in the big picture, long term concept of gun rights things are not "getting progressively better", IMHO. Rights do not exist in a vacuum and that was my point.
Now, nowhere did I claim or even infer that OCDO is a "free speech, anything goes, zone." If I did, please quote it. If I'm violating the rules then moderate me. If you simply don't agree and don't wish to answer then please ignore me or tell me to ****.
** All typed with half a grin and holding a peace flower.
Surely I am the one that made those statements. The first because some would stray too far from the premise of OCDO into other arenas and a gentle nudge back on track is often better than using a hammer. The second is unquestionably my opinion as a user/poster (shared by many) that the glass is filling, not draining w/respect to RKBA.
Moderator or user? It is very easy to tell which hat I am wearing at any given time. First the answer to which one is "yes". Lastly listen to my voice inflection for a clue.
eye95
Well-known member
Peace flower???
JmE, you know that is an assault flower. And, even if you got it at a flower show, I think you should have had a background check before you could obtain it!
JmE, you know that is an assault flower. And, even if you got it at a flower show, I think you should have had a background check before you could obtain it!
Thundar
Regular Member
Yes Kookesh is a wackadoodle but we should not condemn him for taking a stand and exercizing his God given rights. We should not condemn him because of what we believek his motives to be. We should accept it at that level because the existence of the right should require no further explanation or examination of motives from Patriots and free men.
I do not support the KKK. I detest them. I do not, however, condemn them for exercising their rights. I condemn them for spewing biggoted hatred.
Live Free or Die,
Thundar
I hear this march will go on with or without Adam kokesh. I think those who participate have great courage. I'm guessing that most or all of us know what this march is about. Not only a protest of an unconstitutional gun law, but one that had been repealed by the supreeme court and not taken off the books, one that is no longer valid as of 5 years ago, but the police still intend to enforce. I'm only guessing that the police officer who fought the law to get it repealed had started carrying off duty and the police allowed it. I also have to wonder if he is still employed as a cop. Also I wonder if anyone else has been arrested for OCing there since the law was repealed 5 years ago.
Perhaps instead of 10,000 marching with rifles on the 4th, a single person open carrying a handgun, in a holster of corse, as a test case to see how police will react would be a better idea. Thats regarding the march, Far as Adam goes, I'm starting to believe they would have picked him up sometime before the march even without this smokedown thing. I guess that should be a lesson to me that I should be more carefull what I say or post on internet forums. I've probibly got enough videos on my Youtube channel to land myself in a cell beside Mr. Kokesh
Perhaps instead of 10,000 marching with rifles on the 4th, a single person open carrying a handgun, in a holster of corse, as a test case to see how police will react would be a better idea. Thats regarding the march, Far as Adam goes, I'm starting to believe they would have picked him up sometime before the march even without this smokedown thing. I guess that should be a lesson to me that I should be more carefull what I say or post on internet forums. I've probibly got enough videos on my Youtube channel to land myself in a cell beside Mr. Kokesh
This raises an interesting question, best discussed in another thread - separate but equal jail facilities vs coeducational institutions of incarceration.
SBE schools = not legal. SBE jails/prisons = accepted policy/practice. The difficulty in initiating and maintaining a change is not an excuse/reason for ignoring the "problem".
A better question here might be.....who amongst us is or is not willing to occupy a cell beside Mr.Kokeshi to make their point (whatever that might be) regarding this march?
since9
Campaign Veteran
I'm pretty sure that by "No," eye95 meant "No."
I also agree with the rest of his statement: "The point was clearly to equate what Kokesh is doing to what those historical figures did. There is no comparison."
since9
Campaign Veteran
I concur. Excellent point.
eye95
Well-known member
Scott, I have just one question for you. I think you are familiar with it:
Who are you? And what makes you think what you say about anything even matters to anyone?
Moving on.
Who are you? And what makes you think what you say about anything even matters to anyone?
Moving on.
Which is why so many are for this march. It maybe difficult to initiate a change in the way our government (the one that is supposed to be restrained by "shall not be infringed") handles individuals exercising their right to keep and bear arms in the nation's capitol; but the "problem" ought not be ignored. After the government makes whatever decision it does with the individuals, change towards the free exercise of the individual RKBA must be maintained, regardless of difficulty in doing so.
Is the right to keep an bear arms an individual right or a collective one? If it were a collective right then I might understand why I must endure this long court process that will continue beyond my lifespan. But the right IS and individual one. I'm aging just like everyone else. Given my health and whatnot, it's likely that I'll not live long enough to see my full RKBA restored. Why should I wait for that when it's not a collective right? I'm an individual and I'm being denied the ability to exercise my individual right to keep and bear arms unmolested by my government. I'm a belligerent claimant in the flesh demanding that the government cease all infringement upon my right to keep and bear arms. Sit in the back of the bus my arse!
I am and I had planned on putting my skin on that line. I'd sit in jail next to Genghis Khan if I thought that was necessary to restore my individual RKBA in my lifetime! Heck, I'd sit in the same cell and give a lap dance if that would restore my full RKBA. It sure beats dying at the hands of government or street thugs. Even still, dying is a better proposition than abdicating my Liberty!
I woke up in a Soho doorway. A policeman knew my name. He said "You can go sleep at home tonight, If you can get up and walk away."
I staggered back to the underground and the breeze blew back my hair. I remember throwin' punches around and preachin' from my chair!
I staggered back to the underground and the breeze blew back my hair. I remember throwin' punches around and preachin' from my chair!
palerider116
Regular Member
Warning on 7/4/13 DC March
Beware of Trojan horses within our camps. This one is a Code Pink/moveon.org Trojan. I think most people here thought this was an illegal/bad/stupid idea anyway, but this is just a "surgeon general's warning."
FUQ:
"Someone put this photo on a popular website shortly after Kokesh announced the march. His facebook page went up May 4th, according to an article in Hot Air. On May 8th, someone found the following on his ABOUT page while perusing Kokesh’s facebook.
Work Info
Employer: Obama for America
Position: Revolution Czar
Time Period: March 2011 to present
Description: Fomenting unrest"
http://www.lady-patriots.com/the-smoking-gun-adam-kokesh-works-for-obama/
Beware of Trojan horses within our camps. This one is a Code Pink/moveon.org Trojan. I think most people here thought this was an illegal/bad/stupid idea anyway, but this is just a "surgeon general's warning."
FUQ:
"Someone put this photo on a popular website shortly after Kokesh announced the march. His facebook page went up May 4th, according to an article in Hot Air. On May 8th, someone found the following on his ABOUT page while perusing Kokesh’s facebook.
Work Info
Employer: Obama for America
Position: Revolution Czar
Time Period: March 2011 to present
Description: Fomenting unrest"
http://www.lady-patriots.com/the-smoking-gun-adam-kokesh-works-for-obama/
Those historical figures would not be so historical had they not been in the right place at the right time. Becoming involved with an issue will inevitably become a life changer to all who are concerned about the outcome, pro or con, if theire convictions guide them to see it to the end.
Mr. Kokesh will most likely Not be as central a historical figure compared to these great men which I referred to, yet the event that may occur will most definitely put someone in the light of the issue whether they choose to be or not. Time will be the test concerning this issue and we are the ones to determine how it will effect our future at the same instance.
Peace & carry safe !
I'm wondering that if someone is involved in this event & things go bad for them as in being arrested, will that adversely affect them being able to legally carry a firearm in their home state in the future ?