Man who brought gun to school used extremely poor judgement

[stainless1911]

You would think that schools, churches, police stations, and the average living room were nice areas, but shootings happen in those places regularly

 

[detroit_fan]

Wow, it’s amazing how many people want to have this guy charged, even though they know what he did is perfectly legal. I just read the story and read the comments, lots of anti's out there. I hate that people think we are mad people with confidence problems, or something. Horrible, even people on there who claim to be CC'ers saying only people who should OC should be military and Police. Makes me angry to think some fellow CPL holders feel that way, trying to take away our rights. Anyway though, I am glad the prosecutor did say what the OC'er did was indeed legal since he did have a valid CPL. I always conduct myself in a personable, professional manner and make sure to be courteous to all I interact with, not because I am carrying, but because it is who I am, and I'm sure it is how many...if not all of us do as well. I am proud to be among the OC community and will continue to exercise my right, and show people we OC'ers are responsible gun owners, and probably the nicest people they will encounter.

Glock214

Well said Glock!

 

[Glock9mmOldStyle]

Well said Glock!

Yep Glock214 nailed it. Sadly, these are the same folks who get all twisted up when we go to public meetings and fight for not only our rights, but their's also. Many of them suffer from what I call check-valve syndrome, as everything with them is always a one way (their's) and screw everybody else mentality.

 

[Bikenut]

Sadly there are a lot of CCers out there who are very much against OC. They believe we do it for the attention and that everyone should just CC.

Sadly there are a lot of CC'ers out there who actually believe a carry "permit" IS the right to bear arms.

I don't know how many times I've heard someone say:

"Sure I have the right to carry a gun. All I have to do is go get a permit."

But....... and I warn y'all the following is a rant...

Even more sad is all the gun owners/carriers, regardless of if they are CC'ers.. hunters.. OC'ers.. trap/skeet shooters... target shooters... IDPA shooters... etc. .. who think that everyone else should only own the guns they think are...

"reasonable", "appropriate", "acceptable", and only carry guns in ways they think are "responsible".

It's as if those folks think they are so important they are endowed with the divine power to require other people to adhere to the standards they dictate.... never understanding that another word for dictated standards is........... "infringed".

But the saddest thing of all is those gun owners/carriers who want to tell everyone else how to exercise the right to keep and bear arms use the very same insults and the very same ridicule against their own brethren as the anti gunners use against guns in general.

Ok... rant over...

 

[stainless1911]

When are you going to run for office? You got my vote.

The only way we are going to get our rights back is to get our people in the offices who make those changes. If you want it done right, you do it yourself.


Something that MOC would be in a position to do, would be to organise a connty by county election capaign, to get someone elected in every district.

 

[Glock9mmOldStyle]

+1

When are you going to run for office? You got my vote.

The only way we are going to get our rights back is to get our people in the offices who make those changes. If you want it done right, you do it yourself.


Something that MOC would be in a position to do, would be to organise a connty by county election capaign, to get someone elected in every district.

+1

Yes he's right Bikenut, You'd have my vote also

 

[Bronson]

2), they get a cpl but see no need to carry most of the time.

The division within the gun/sporting community runs deep and wide. OCers get flack from CCers ---> CCers that carry all of the time get flack from the occasional CCers ---> occasional CCers get flack from pistol hunters ---> pistol hunters get flack from rifle hunters ---> rifle hunters get flack from shotgun hunters ---> shotgun hunters get flack from crossbow hunters ---> crossbow hunters get flack from compound bow hunters ---> compound bow hunters get flack from traditional bow hunters ---> all hunters get flack from trappers ---> blah blah bliggety blah.

It goes on and on and on, and it will never get better until we can come together with a unified voice that reaches across the various styles and disciplines.

Bronson

 

[stainless1911]

They dont even allow LGOC here, further widening the gap. And then the ignore feature, which gets used against gun owners instead of the spammers.

 

[DrTodd]

They dont even allow LGOC here...

See what happens when you LGOC:

http://goo.gl/AxW6U

 

[Glock9mmOldStyle]

My 2 cents on this:

We have power mongers in control of most school districts, this we know already, so the way we beat this illegal practice is to take it apart in pieces.
1) We demonstrate to the public that the only people the law currently protects are CRIMINALS by forcing a large group of unarmed citizens, teachers, and children together in a barrel like "fish" to be easily shot! The current law has teachers defending against armed gunmen by: taping/gluing paper over the class room doors and windows so the bad guy(s) can't see in! Wow, that makes me feel safer - (NOT) - how about you? I and most parents/citizens I know would much rather allow those teachers/staff members who wish to carry a weapon to protect themselves and the kids to do so legally.

2) We work with the Teachers Associations, the service employee unions, etc. to promote new laws to allow them to carry.

3) Once the public sees that this works via drops in school shootings/violence in MI (and there will be a drop as the whack jobs will move on to theaters and other FREE FOR ALL ZONES) their arguments [school districts] for not allowing the rest of the public to carry in schools becomes much, much weaker.

That's how I see it, How do you Guys & Gals?

 

[stainless1911]

I think that someone who intends to shoot up a school has no intentions or expectations of living through it.

Knowing that, the only way to stop someone like that, is to shoot them. The only way to do that, is to have a gun in place before an active shooter arrives.

 

[Glock9mmOldStyle]

]I think that someone who intends to shoot up a school has no intentions or expectations of living through it. [/b]

Knowing that, the only way to stop someone like that, is to shoot them. The only way to do that, is to have a gun in place before an active shooter arrives.

Quoted for truth! +1 I wonder if this is what our school officials and lawmakers want? They are smarter than us right? So they must know this is what their rules yield!

[video=youtube;cIeyn0-rdx4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIeyn0-rdx4[/video]

 

[stainless1911]

It will either take a mass shooting and public outrage, some OCer stopping an active shooter, or someone CCing illegally stopping an active shooter.

 

[PACKAGLOCK]

I think people should carry however they choose. I really hate the attention argument too it's just not correct. It's like saying the reason you carry concealed is so you will have an opportunity to shoot a criminal.

we should be able to carry however we feel open carry keeps criminals from trying you.

“A government that does not trust it’s law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is itself unworthy of trust.” James Madison.

 

[kubel]

I've seen the exact same logic (legal, but poor judgement) used by fellow open carry advocates with regard to LGOC. </comment>

 

[stainless1911]

Its a time and place thing.

 

[DrTodd]

It will either take a mass shooting and public outrage, some OCer stopping an active shooter, or someone CCing illegally stopping an active shooter.

Already has happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting

However, assistant principal Joel Myrick had retrieved a .45 pistol from the glove compartment of his truck and subdued Woodham inside his mother's car. Then Myrick demanded "Why did you shoot my kids?" to which Woodham replied, "Life has wronged me, sir."

The gun being on school property was illegal at the time.... has anything changed?

 

[stainless1911]

I know, I brought that up in the meeting. However, like too many things in this world, it will have to happen to them before they see it, and even then, they may not.

 

[Haman J.T.]

I read today,in a forum somewhere,the mention of getting Women OCers to appear in front of city councils to get things done.The reasoning was that a bunch of armed men,OCing, is not so news worthy,but a bunch of armed,OCing women,would make a bigger news story.Thats a GREAT IDEA! Thats what we need to do!

 

[stainless1911]

It was indeed a great idea. I love to see women protecting themselves, and the poster was right, it would get more positive media attention.