Lawsuit filed for carry in the District of Columbia

[Thundar]

2013 is half over, still no decision from the court.

2013 is already half finished. It is very hard to believe that the case has not even been decided at the district court level.

I will write the Chief Justice of the DC District Court again.

Justice delayed = justice denied.

 

[press1280]

2013 is already half finished. It is very hard to believe that the case has not even been decided at the district court level.

I will write the Chief Justice of the DC District Court again.

Justice delayed = justice denied.

Maybe Chief Justice Roberts instead. The case sat for 2 years before being reassigned to this judge(Scullin). Now he in turn has also waited 2 years with no opinion, briefing is already complete. Unbelievable.

 

[Thundar]

Gura tells the DC District Court $h!+ or get off the pot

Link: http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscourts.dcd.137887/gov.uscourts.dcd.137887.44.1.pdf

 

[Grapeshot]

Link: http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscourts.dcd.137887/gov.uscourts.dcd.137887.44.1.pdf

Even at this, I am not holding my breath.

There are no teeth, no penalty, for not rendering a decision - no pound of flesh.

 

[cirrusly]

Google "emily gets her gun".

+1 wrightme.

She has a book scheduled to publish on September 1.

There has been some mention of Woollard v. Sheridan on here. Emily contended this was also a valid case to lift the prohibition on the DC carry restrictions...

Q: When do you see the courts finally allowing law-abiding-citizens to carry on the streets of DC? What about reciprocity?
A: I think it could happen in the next two years as long as Woollard holds up in court. Also, D.C. politicians want, more than anything, to get more autonomy with their budgets. They know however that Congress is not happy with the overly-restrictive gun laws.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2012/aug/15/miller-q-dcs-gun-laws/#ixzz2boGE0OoI

As we saw, the case unfortunately has not held up in court...

On March 21, 2013 the Fourth Circuit unanimously reversed the District Court opinion [...] by holding that Maryland's desire to reduce handgun violence is a "substantial government interest", and that the "good cause" requirement is "reasonably fitted" to this interest in several ways, primarily by reducing the number of guns on the street, which the Court agreed with the Appellants provides several secondary effects that significantly reduce handgun violence and increase the ability of the police to distinguish criminals from law-abiding citizens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woollard_v._Sheridan

And, it's pending SCOTUS now.

However, I would argue despite the loss and delays of some of these cases we're still making traction. A year ago I barely knew what open carry was, nor was I an NRA member, or even a gun owner. Now, it's the opposite. I have a small arsenal of handguns, go to the range regularly, am an NRA member (with the vanity NRA license plates,) have CCWs in process, and occasionally OC around Arlington, VA. My point being- visibility of infringements of 2A is growing steadily. "Average citizens" are becoming more savvy and involved in repealing these unconstitutional laws. Unfortunately, it will take time, but we will get there.

 

[Thundar]

OK, less than 4 months to 2014. Does anybody want to bet on whether there will be a decision this year?

I think that Gura is being ignored.

 

[JoeSparky]

OK, less than 4 months to 2014. Does anybody want to bet on whether there will be a decision this year?

I think that Gura is being ignored.

At this point shouldn't we be hopeful for a decision sometime THIS CENTURY?????

 

[Grapeshot]

At this point shouldn't we be hopeful for a decision sometime THIS CENTURY?????

Dreamer.

 

[JoeSparky]

Dreamer.

What was that old phrase? You know the one, something like this---- "Justice Delayed Is Justice Denied!"

 

[Thundar]

The District of Columbia does not even respond to the supplimental authority briefs or the motions to expedite filed by Gura. Why? Because they don't have to. they will wait the 6 or seven years for a district court ruling and then wait another ten years for a circuit court ruling.

Shame on the black robed thief who takes our money as payment for being a federal judge, but then does not do his job and rule on the case. The black robed thief does not even rule on the motions before him.

This court has turned its back on the people who have properly come before the court seeking protection from a government which abuses its power and steals the fundamental rights of citizens.

Why does the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court allow this wretched behaviour to continue? This question I cannot answer, but what remedy do the people have when their grievences are ignored and their fundamental rights are trampled? If the courts cannot provide relief for the attacks upon thesecond ammendment, then is it time for good people to take more drastic action?

 

[Grapeshot]

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Why does the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court allow this wretched behaviour to continue? This question I cannot answer, but what remedy do the people have when their grievences are ignored and their fundamental rights are trampled? If the courts cannot provide relief for the attacks upon thesecond ammendment, then is it time for good people to take more drastic action?

Some things perhaps as might be legal.

Others, not here, not on this forum.

 

[Thundar]

Some things perhaps as might be legal.

Others, not here, not on this forum.

Sighhhh,

Oh Grapeshot, pleeeease. This is Thundar not Adam Kokesh! I have never advocated illegal activity, only activity designed to make petty tyrants squirm. I am talking about empty holster/ flap holster type protests, not man the barricade type stuff. Geesh, after all these years, really?

 

[Grapeshot]

Originally Posted by Thundar

--snipped--
Why does the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court allow this wretched behaviour to continue? This question I cannot answer, but what remedy do the people have when their grievences are ignored and their fundamental rights are trampled? If the courts cannot provide relief for the attacks upon thesecond ammendment, then is it time for good people to take more drastic action?

Some things perhaps as might be legal.

Others, not here, not on this forum.

Sighhhh,

Oh Grapeshot, pleeeease. This is Thundar not Adam Kokesh! I have never advocated illegal activity, only activity designed to make petty tyrants squirm. I am talking about empty holster/ flap holster type protests, not man the barricade type stuff. Geesh, after all these years, really?

It isn't just about what I might expect, but how other readers might perceive the words. You could have clarified what you intended/meant from the beginning. Me, I've never considered empty holsters as "drastic action".

All in all, I don't think I responded harshly - just pointed out to others that some things are legal and others not so much. Besides, if I don't respond at all, then people could accuse me of favoritism and giving a free pass to those I know. Even the King of Blunt, Peter Nap, understands that and giggles about it.

 

[press1280]

This case just popped up the other day from the DC Court of Appeals(their version of a state court): http://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...6103&q="bear+arms"&hl=en&scisbd=2&as_sdt=2,49
Seems DC's carry ban(or at least their defacto ban pre-Heller) may be the topic of conversation on the remand. I'm beginning to believe a case should have also been filed in DC's state court system after seeing Palmer languish in DC District court.

 

[press1280]

"DC's state court system"???????

It's similiar to a state supreme court. It's not to be confused with DC District Court or the DC Circuit, and now seems like it would have been a faster route for Tom Palmer to go.

 

[Thundar]

Adam Kokesh Cites 2nd A right

Adam Kokesh, arrested for his 4 July 2013 loading of an apparent shotgun in the federal district, has filed motions to dismiss based upon jis 2nd A right to bear arms outside of his home.

Link: http://t.co/mZ78XOeC6d

This is the same issue presented in 2009 in the federal district court, civil division.

Which court will rule first?

My money is on the criminal court.

 

[hammer6]

"DC's state court system"???????

lolz

 

[Thundar]

Palmer v DC is the last bear arms game in town

Woolard Cetiori Denied by SCOTUS

Though I wish it were otherwise, it has become abundantly clear that as far as SCOTUS is concerned regulation of concealed carry is not something that they will take up. Gura has had many at bats and each time he has struck out. It has been a good fight, but further litigation creating bad precident is not what the pro gun side should be seeking.

What they need is a clean (open carry) bear arms case.

This is exactly what they have in Palmer v. DC. DC is the only place left in the US with an outright ban. Palmer is a game we cannot afford to lose.It was so important that over two years ago Chief Justice Roberts took it out of the hands of District Court Judge Kennedy for taking too long. Ironically Senior Judge Scullins is taking even longer.

What I fear is that DC will actually pass a may issue scheme and really f%&$ it up.

If you care about the right to Bear Arms, pay attention to Palmer v. DC.

 

[BB62]

Woolard Cetiori Denied by SCOTUS...

Woollard.

 

[press1280]

Woolard Cetiori Denied by SCOTUS

Though I wish it were otherwise, it has become abundantly clear that as far as SCOTUS is concerned regulation of concealed carry is not something that they will take up. Gura has had many at bats and each time he has struck out. It has been a good fight, but further litigation creating bad precident is not what the pro gun side should be seeking.

What they need is a clean (open carry) bear arms case.

This is exactly what they have in Palmer v. DC. DC is the only place left in the US with an outright ban. Palmer is a game we cannot afford to lose.It was so important that over two years ago Chief Justice Roberts took it out of the hands of District Court Judge Kennedy for taking too long. Ironically Senior Judge Scullins is taking even longer.

What I fear is that DC will actually pass a may issue scheme and really f%&$ it up.

If you care about the right to Bear Arms, pay attention to Palmer v. DC.

Woollard wasn't a CCW case, MD's permit allowed for public carry in either manner. It's a stretch IMO for the court to deny cert in Woollard but grant cert in an unlicensed OC case. The court likes only small bites, and it doesn't make sense for them to pass on a narrower case and go for the more complex one.
That said, there are many OC stones yet to be turned that can help add conflict to lower courts and push the issue. For example, Oregon is basically an OC state but some towns have OC bans and they won't issue CCWs to anyone not residing in a state bordering Oregon. Any non CA,WA,ID, or NV resident would have standing to go after one of those towns. We need more cases in the pipeline to create a deep split.

As far as DC goes, I do agree they would try to go may-issue. Although Palmer losing at the DC Circuit may not be a bad thing. It would create a split with Moore and Aguilar.