MainelyGlock
Regular Member
This is going to come out as a jumbled mess at first, just so I can write everything down. I'll organize it later. I stupidly did not record any of this.
At 9:49PM today, I called 911 because I noticed there was a man asleep in my driveway while I was taking out the trash. I tried speaking to him, and gently moving his shoulder to see if he would wake up. When he didn't respond, I went inside and called 911 asking if they would come remove him. I told the dispatcher to please advise any officers that would be on scene that I was carrying a holstered handgun (first mistake?) and would be at the end of my driveway waiting for them. He told me that he was only going to send the EMTs, but if I wanted officers there then he would send some. (second mistake). Roughly 4 minutes later, a firetruck showed up, then an ambulance, and about 20 seconds later two squad cars. I led the EMTs towards the end of my driveway, and went back towards the entrance of it to greet the officers. Let me pause to say that the first two officers handled my OC'ing VERY well. They asked if I was the one with the gun, and I replied yes. When they asked why, I told them it was because there was a stranger blacked out in my driveway and I had no idea what he could and would do, so I felt the need to protect myself. They responded and said that "oh, the dispatcher told us the man in your driveway was the one with the gun." One of them asked if I OC a lot, and I said it's about 50/50 with CC, and he said "that's cool, it is your right and you're allowed to."
As my uninvited guest was being dealt with and dragged out of my driveway by other officers who had shown up (totaling 4 or 5), a Sgt. by the name of Calloway approached me and asked for I.D. I told him it was in my house, and he asked me to leave my firearm outside. I told him I was not comfortable doing so, and he said "Ok, I will have an officer escort you inside to grab it". I told him that I did not give permission for any of them to enter my household. This seemed to aggravate him, and he told me I was violating a city ordnance by open carrying after dark. I asked him which one, and he replied that he didn't know it off the top of his head, but if I let an officer hold onto my gun he would take me into his squad car to show me. I told him no thank you, and that I would just Google it later. He said that if I don't comply with one of the orders gave me, I would be issued a citation. I told him that if he felt it was necessary to write one that he should, and that as soon as the man in my driveway was removed from my property (who was being restrained and cuffed) I would be more than glad to go inside with my firearm, but that I would keep it on me while I was outside for my protection. He continued to lecture me on not cooperating with him and the other officers (5 of which were standing around me by now, blocking me from entering my driveway and forcing me to stand on public property), jeopardizing their safety, how this was his first "open carry advocate call", how he was trying to "Educate me" and didn't understand why I didn't want to learn the laws, why was I being difficult, how I was making people around me unsafe and uncomfortable, yada yada yada. Also told me how bad of an idea it was to have a gun when I knew cops would be coming, and I told him that I had no idea long it would take for them to arrive. I told him that it took 3 or 4 minutes for them to arrive, and a lot could have happened in that time. He made a remark about how hurt he was that I didn't have faith in the police (with much sarcasm) and I asked him where they were when I got stabbed. (sarcasm on my part). I nodded my head and stayed silent through most of this, though. He said since i was being issued a citation that I would need to give him ID, so I provided him with my name, DOB, and license number.
While he went back to one of the 5 squad cars now parked on my street, another Sgt. (harris, jarris?) started talking to me about how that man could have taken my gun away from me, and how an officer with a level III retention holster had his gun wrestled away from him just yesterday before being tazed. I told him that I had read about that, and he put a lot of emphasis on how I didn't have any training, and how if it happened to someone who had a lot more training than I have had in my entire life then it could definitely happen to me. A lot of rude undertones were given off from both of these officers. He told me that if ANYTHING came back on my license or record or I provided them false information, I would be arrested on the spot. I told him (third time) that if I was a felon, I would have no been able to buy the firearm I was carrying nor would I have been approved for my CCP. After he had left, the third Sgt. and I had a very civilized discussion about open carrying, where I was in school, WHY I carried a firearm, stuff like that. No hint of an attitude which was nice.
After about a half hour of standing around, speaking with a few of the officers, Officer Callway came back over and told me "because he was such a nice guy, he would show me the ordnance anyways" and invited me over to look at the computer in his cruiser. I told him that I would not be disarming myself for this, and he replied "I never askjed you to". I went over, circled by 4 officers, and read through it twice. It is Portland City Ordnance number 17-42 that I am being accused of violating. I thanked him for letting me read it, and he once again mentioned that he was only trying to educate me and didn't know why I was being so uncooperative. We all walked back over to the sidewalk, where he once again asked me where I lived because a different address was coming up. I told the officers (again) I was house sitting for my mother, and gave them the address that matched my license. Officer Callway started to fill out the citation book, and asked another officer for his light because "he couldn't see in the dark with his old eyes". he then proceeded to turn the light on, and said "I'll shine it at you to see how you like it" before shining it into my eyes. Super mature for a 46-year old man. I said "that's almost as bright at the one I have", trying to make light of the CLEAR abuse that was occuring, and he said "I bet you'll like this one" and turned the strobe on. In my eyes again. The female officer (one of the initial two nice ones) looked like she was about to say something, but didn't. He went over the citation with me, told me how unhappy the chief would be when he saw this on his desk, and I signed it. I thanked them for coming out to take care of the man in my driveway and Officer Callway said "that's what we're here for. see you in court.''
EDIT: While he was filling out the citation, Officer Callway asked me if I was still recording with my phone. I remained silent, and he said "you're not recording? this is one of my finer moments! Maybe I wanted to end up on YouTube." To me, this suggests that after the video one of our members took in Portland of his illegal search that the officers were made aware of it. Which is good if you ask me. But clearly not enough.
I now have a court date set in November for violating a city ordnance. What started as getting a drunk man removed from my driveway turned into an whole ordeal that lasted an hour.
Do I need a lawyer? Should I delete this immediately and call one? As a full time student, I definitely do NOT have the funds for one, so hopefully I won't. I don't want this on my record, though. It's already going to be in public record which sucks enough. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
At 9:49PM today, I called 911 because I noticed there was a man asleep in my driveway while I was taking out the trash. I tried speaking to him, and gently moving his shoulder to see if he would wake up. When he didn't respond, I went inside and called 911 asking if they would come remove him. I told the dispatcher to please advise any officers that would be on scene that I was carrying a holstered handgun (first mistake?) and would be at the end of my driveway waiting for them. He told me that he was only going to send the EMTs, but if I wanted officers there then he would send some. (second mistake). Roughly 4 minutes later, a firetruck showed up, then an ambulance, and about 20 seconds later two squad cars. I led the EMTs towards the end of my driveway, and went back towards the entrance of it to greet the officers. Let me pause to say that the first two officers handled my OC'ing VERY well. They asked if I was the one with the gun, and I replied yes. When they asked why, I told them it was because there was a stranger blacked out in my driveway and I had no idea what he could and would do, so I felt the need to protect myself. They responded and said that "oh, the dispatcher told us the man in your driveway was the one with the gun." One of them asked if I OC a lot, and I said it's about 50/50 with CC, and he said "that's cool, it is your right and you're allowed to."
As my uninvited guest was being dealt with and dragged out of my driveway by other officers who had shown up (totaling 4 or 5), a Sgt. by the name of Calloway approached me and asked for I.D. I told him it was in my house, and he asked me to leave my firearm outside. I told him I was not comfortable doing so, and he said "Ok, I will have an officer escort you inside to grab it". I told him that I did not give permission for any of them to enter my household. This seemed to aggravate him, and he told me I was violating a city ordnance by open carrying after dark. I asked him which one, and he replied that he didn't know it off the top of his head, but if I let an officer hold onto my gun he would take me into his squad car to show me. I told him no thank you, and that I would just Google it later. He said that if I don't comply with one of the orders gave me, I would be issued a citation. I told him that if he felt it was necessary to write one that he should, and that as soon as the man in my driveway was removed from my property (who was being restrained and cuffed) I would be more than glad to go inside with my firearm, but that I would keep it on me while I was outside for my protection. He continued to lecture me on not cooperating with him and the other officers (5 of which were standing around me by now, blocking me from entering my driveway and forcing me to stand on public property), jeopardizing their safety, how this was his first "open carry advocate call", how he was trying to "Educate me" and didn't understand why I didn't want to learn the laws, why was I being difficult, how I was making people around me unsafe and uncomfortable, yada yada yada. Also told me how bad of an idea it was to have a gun when I knew cops would be coming, and I told him that I had no idea long it would take for them to arrive. I told him that it took 3 or 4 minutes for them to arrive, and a lot could have happened in that time. He made a remark about how hurt he was that I didn't have faith in the police (with much sarcasm) and I asked him where they were when I got stabbed. (sarcasm on my part). I nodded my head and stayed silent through most of this, though. He said since i was being issued a citation that I would need to give him ID, so I provided him with my name, DOB, and license number.
While he went back to one of the 5 squad cars now parked on my street, another Sgt. (harris, jarris?) started talking to me about how that man could have taken my gun away from me, and how an officer with a level III retention holster had his gun wrestled away from him just yesterday before being tazed. I told him that I had read about that, and he put a lot of emphasis on how I didn't have any training, and how if it happened to someone who had a lot more training than I have had in my entire life then it could definitely happen to me. A lot of rude undertones were given off from both of these officers. He told me that if ANYTHING came back on my license or record or I provided them false information, I would be arrested on the spot. I told him (third time) that if I was a felon, I would have no been able to buy the firearm I was carrying nor would I have been approved for my CCP. After he had left, the third Sgt. and I had a very civilized discussion about open carrying, where I was in school, WHY I carried a firearm, stuff like that. No hint of an attitude which was nice.
After about a half hour of standing around, speaking with a few of the officers, Officer Callway came back over and told me "because he was such a nice guy, he would show me the ordnance anyways" and invited me over to look at the computer in his cruiser. I told him that I would not be disarming myself for this, and he replied "I never askjed you to". I went over, circled by 4 officers, and read through it twice. It is Portland City Ordnance number 17-42 that I am being accused of violating. I thanked him for letting me read it, and he once again mentioned that he was only trying to educate me and didn't know why I was being so uncooperative. We all walked back over to the sidewalk, where he once again asked me where I lived because a different address was coming up. I told the officers (again) I was house sitting for my mother, and gave them the address that matched my license. Officer Callway started to fill out the citation book, and asked another officer for his light because "he couldn't see in the dark with his old eyes". he then proceeded to turn the light on, and said "I'll shine it at you to see how you like it" before shining it into my eyes. Super mature for a 46-year old man. I said "that's almost as bright at the one I have", trying to make light of the CLEAR abuse that was occuring, and he said "I bet you'll like this one" and turned the strobe on. In my eyes again. The female officer (one of the initial two nice ones) looked like she was about to say something, but didn't. He went over the citation with me, told me how unhappy the chief would be when he saw this on his desk, and I signed it. I thanked them for coming out to take care of the man in my driveway and Officer Callway said "that's what we're here for. see you in court.''
EDIT: While he was filling out the citation, Officer Callway asked me if I was still recording with my phone. I remained silent, and he said "you're not recording? this is one of my finer moments! Maybe I wanted to end up on YouTube." To me, this suggests that after the video one of our members took in Portland of his illegal search that the officers were made aware of it. Which is good if you ask me. But clearly not enough.
I now have a court date set in November for violating a city ordnance. What started as getting a drunk man removed from my driveway turned into an whole ordeal that lasted an hour.
Do I need a lawyer? Should I delete this immediately and call one? As a full time student, I definitely do NOT have the funds for one, so hopefully I won't. I don't want this on my record, though. It's already going to be in public record which sucks enough. Any advice is greatly appreciated.