Yes, I was. Been a long time since I've been out there.
"Fashion Center at Pentagon City," aka Pentagon City Mall is NOT the shopping area inside the Pentagon.Sounds like User's last visit to the "Pentagon Mall" was about the time mine was... The 80's?
The REAL "Pentagon Mall" is UNDER the Pentagon and you were there as soon as you stepped off the METRO. I think since 9/11, that subway station has been closed, maybe before that.
The "new" one is Pentagon City or something like that. I've never been there, but heard its nice. It must be quite some distance from the Pentagon, though. The parking lots take up a LOT of room and I can't imagine them using any of that space for a new mall.
You can't get to it or use the parking lot without going through DOD/Pentagon property, if I recall correctly. That's covered by a special federal regulation that makes it a misdemeanor to be in possession of a firearm. Locked and unloaded in the trunk doesn't get any special dispensation of grace, either.
This thread is about the commercial enterprise known as Pentagon City Mall -- across the highway from the Pentagon and not connected to it in any way.Perhaps he is referring to 32 CFR 234.10. I believe this link is publicly accessible: http://www.defense.gov/home/features/2008/0708_memorial/32cfr234.pdf
For the most part the reservation is treated like all other DOD installations. In theory you should be able to pass through the reservation with an unloaded and cased firearm. But not stop?
As far back as I remember 1995 or so, the general public has never had direct access to the concourse shops in the pentagon itself. The renovation of the pentagon metro stop only changed the fact that you could no longer enter from below ground.
This thread is about the commercial enterprise known as Pentagon City Mall -- across the highway from the Pentagon and not connected to it in any way.
§ 234.2 Applicability.
The provisions of this part apply to all areas, lands, and waters on or adjoining the Pentagon Reservation and under the jurisdiction of the United States, and to all persons entering in or on the property. They supplement those penal provisions of Title 18, United States Code, relating to crimes and criminal procedure and those provisions of State law that are federal criminal offenses by virtue of the Assimilative Crimes Act, 18 U.S.C. 13.
§ 234.10 Weapons.
(a) Except as otherwise authorized under this section, the following are prohibited:
(1) Possessing a weapon.
(2) Carrying a weapon.
(3) Using a weapon.
(b) This section does not apply to any agency or Department of Defense component that has received prior written
approval from the Pentagon Force Protection Agency or the Installation Commander to carry, transport, or use
a weapon in support of a security, law enforcement, or other lawful purpose while on the Pentagon Reservation.
§ 234.19 Penalties and effect on other laws.
(a) Whoever shall be found guilty of willfully violating any rule or regulation enumerated in this part is subject to the penalties imposed by Federal law for the commission of a Class B misdemeanor offense.
(b) Whoever violates any rule or regulation enumerated in this part is liable to the United States for a civil penalty of not more than $1,000.
(c) Nothing in this part shall be construed to abrogate any other Federal laws.
True - my understanding was, in fact, based on my last visits there in the early '80's, back when me and Al were inventing the information superhighway. But to answer the question, here's some excerpts (though I would argue that, as applied to nonmilitary personnel, this exceeds the scope of the military departments' rulemaking authority):
...We are NOT talking about the DoD facility known as the Pentagon. How can I say this in such a way as to make it any clearer?
... Pentagon City Mall is a commercial enterprise that is not connected in any way with the Pentagon and is not subject to any of DoD's regulations. ...
"Fashion Center at Pentagon City," aka Pentagon City Mall is NOT the shopping area inside the Pentagon.
Pentagon City Mall is located in the commercial shopping district across the highway (I-395) from the Pentagon complex. It has no connection with the Pentagon or the Pentagon's parking areas.
It is one of the nicest indoor shopping malls in the NoVA area, convenient to most people in Alexandria, Arlington and DC, and contains the usual array of higher-end stores. There is a Metro stop on the ground level, and many people use part of the Mall's parking garage as Metro parking.
Now .... as to OC while in the Mall ... While walking through the Mall last Saturday, there were plenty of security guards in evidence. I have not ever entered through the Macy's or Nordstrom's entrances and therefore cannot comment about the lack of "No Weapons" signs at those entrances. When entering from the parking lot, the Code of Conduct signs are at each entrance.
Would OC in the general Mall area, therefore, be considered a violation of those rules and could you be asked to leave? Would it be considered trespassing *before* a security guard asked you to leave, or merely a violation of their "rules?"
Uber, can you confirm that you OC in Pentagon City Mall and that you have never had a problem there? Have you ever been in close proximity to a Pentagon City Mall security guard while OCing?