Please take note:"Iowa Gun Owners - Take Action! Disturbing Anti-Gun Rights Legislation Being Pushed by NRA in Iowa"
Sounds just like something the Brady Campaign would post. Don't be fooled by IGO lies.
Now that puts things in a different light and makes more sense. Appreciate it.
Personal attacks? No.
The topic Straight Shooter introduced slams the NRA for not supporting the 2nd Amendment, slams the NRA Bill with unfactual information, and tells untruthful information about IGO.
For example? The 49-49 vote last year was NOT a direct vote on the IGO Bill and Straight Shooter knows it! It was a procedural vote on whether to debate certain Bills lined up that didn't pass through the funnel quick enough during the session. It was a vote to debate whether to allow a number of Bills to be considered on the House floor. It was NOT a vote on passing the IGO Bill. And the House voted to not even consider all of the Bills. Call that a near victory?
It's reasonable to doubt a posters support for the 2nd Amendment when they:
1. Spread untruthful information about the NRA.
2. Try to promote an "Alaska" Bill by attacking the Bills of others. Can they not promote their own Bill without slamming the NRA?
3. Try to promote an "Alaska" Bill by falsely claiming it received a close vote in the last session and almost passed.
4. Try to promote an "Alaska" Bill which has zero chance of passing the Iowa Legislature, and they know it.
5. Constantly trail across multiple web sites to attack those who do support the NRA Bill.
How is that advancing the 2nd Amendment any better then the Brady Bunch does? What has the IGO done to support the right to carry in Iowa? Constant attacks on the NRA and others, does not constitute support of the 2nd Amendment or the right to carry in Iowa.
The NRA has only ever done two things for me - taken my money and nothing else.
I long since have shifted and given my support to JPFO and effective grass roots organizations like VCDL.
It's reasonable to doubt a posters support for the 2nd Amendment when they:
1. Spread untruthful information about the NRA.
Another NRA attack from Straight Shooter. Gosh I'm surprised.
You cannot promote your own Bill without attacking the NRA and their Bill. Why?
Because you and the IGO have zero credibility as a result of your Radical Attack approach to passing legislation. You also have very few active members. Yet you continue your efforts to gain relevence by attacking others - while making all 2nd Amendment supporters look like a bunch of irrational, hot-headed gun nuts.
Rational debate with you? Not possible. Just like it's not possible for the IGO or your ilk to advance your Bill with Legislators.
BTW - Thanks Straight Shooter, for almost admitting that you and the IGO lied about the 49-49 Procedural Vote. If you try taking the honest and rational approach, you might gain some credibility and respect. But you have a lot of bridges to rebuild, and a lot of history to try to erase.
Maxie -
You also have very few active members.
Momma once told me that if you want to get anywhere in a "discussion," you have to stick to the facts and leave the other person's intelligence out of it - don't insult them. Momma was a pretty smart lady. She also said that the madder you get, the more you should smile.
Presuming that you both want to improve the present situation, sit down and find some common ground - at least publicly. This will not likely be a one day, one issue fight. Strength lies in unity, not discord.
Yata hey
Let's take a close look at Maxie's first post on this thread . . . shall we?
But using a hammer and personal attacks will only serve to make all gun-owners look bad, and will not gain passage of this Bill.
"At their "public meetings" last week, the NRA absolutely refused to discuss the contents of the bill publicly with many, many people who wanted to (unless it was "privately, after the meeting") they only wanted them to "support it" publicly." Straight Shooter
It's statements like the above, which make it impossible to have a rational discussion with Straight Shooter.
I attended the NRA meeting in Des Moines last week. There were well over 200 people in attendance. There was much discussion and a Q & A session after the formal meeting and the NRA was there to answer any questions asked regarding specifics of the Bill. There were at least 50 people gathered at the podium after the formal meeting. Then the discussion moved to the lobby area after the cleaning crew asked everyone to move. It was a very public forum.
The unfounded attacks on the NRA continue.....
SS, your unfounded attacks and distortions regarding the NRA and their Bill do in fact, make you appear to be on the same side as the Brady gun-banners.
And if you actually are pro-gun, then your unfounded attacks and distortions make you appear to be psychotic.
Those are observations any rational person would make after reading your posts.
The first person to challenge the Bill? Oh, you mean the one who started yelling?
I looked for that guy after the meeting. I was hoping he would address specific questions to the NRA, as invited to do, after the meeting. He appeared to be there just to put on a show and make a scene. He apparently didn't want to discuss anything with the NRA with just 50 people at the front of the room by the podium. I looked for him, but he must have ran away.
All were invited to ask questions about the Bill at the end of the meeting. Maybe you were too busy shouting to listen?
For you to call me a liar confirms you weren't there or you weren't listening. 50+ other people heard Chris though.
It was a good discussion with many questions answered.
Sorry you missed it.