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Idaho sales tax on FFL transfers?

davidmcbeth

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what are you jumping all about...would you get a life...a FEE is not what you were whining about in your first post regarding a 6% sale tax to process your firearm transfer.

tell ya what, spend 30 minutes dealing, out of the blue, with someone like yourself and see if a fee isn't warranted and just revenue for the FFL's time and patience.

this is a normal occurance and me thinks you are beating the horse now just for fun and to torment the onlookers.

ipse

I don't see him complaining too much relating to the fee .... just the tax on it. I miss something?
 

OC Freedom

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what are you jumping all about...would you get a life...a FEE is not what you were whining about in your first post regarding a 6% sale tax to process your firearm transfer.

tell ya what, spend 30 minutes dealing, out of the blue, with someone like yourself and see if a fee isn't warranted and just revenue for the FFL's time and patience.

this is a normal occurance and me thinks you are beating the horse now just for fun and to torment the onlookers.

ipse



You are such a bully. Why Grape lets you get away with so much bulls**t on this site is unknown too me.
 

utbagpiper

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You are such a bully. Why Grape lets you get away with so much bulls**t on this site is unknown too me.
Ignore him. Use the iggy list as I do, it makes me think, primus, do I want to read this poster at all, second, should I respond to trollery? Think twice, be nice.
+1 on both counts. Not to mention the complete lack of any attempt at proper English usage.

Only a single poster, alone, resides on my ignore list. But since the not a savant seems to play the role of my personal troll and does have some gift for raising my ire, ignoring him entirely makes the experience here so much the better.

All others I can either ignore or converse with with some mutual degree of minimum civility. But for the truly exceptional cases, of which I've found one, the ignore list is a great benefit.

Charles
 

utbagpiper

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I asked the FFL:

"are you required to charge sales tax on FFL transfers in Idaho"?

They answered:

"Since its a service it should only be a flat $$$, if it happens again you can mention it at the point of sale and they can make the adjustment.
Odds are they just didnt know not to charge tax".

I'm happy:), are you all?:banghead:
Sounds about right. I can't get any of the Idaho.gov sites to load tonight, but according to this site, sales tax in Idaho does not apply to services except the following:

The sales tax does not apply to sales of services except for the following:

-producing property to the special order of the customer
-producing property for consumers who furnish the materials used
-food, meals, and drinks for a consideration
-admission charges and charges to use property or facilities for recreational purposes
-providing hotel and trailer court accommodations
-leasing or renting tangible personal property
-intrastate transportation for hire by air of freight or passengers except as part of a flight by a certified air carrier or an air ambulance service

FFL transfers for an out-of-State purchase do not seem to fall into any of these categories. So it seems an FFL in Idaho should not be collecting sales tax on the FFL transfer fee.

However, Idaho does impose a "Use tax" for items purchased from out-of-State retailers for use within the State of Idaho. You get a credit for sales taxes paid in another State. But if the purchase was made tax free, from a retailer, then use tax is due. It appears that sales tax is not generally due if the purchase was from a private (ie non-retailer) seller.

From the same website I linked above:


Idaho Imposes a Use Tax on Out-of-State Purchases

In Idaho, the use tax is imposed on the privilege of storing, using, or consuming within the state tangible personal property that was acquired for storage, use, or other consumption in the state. Use tax applies when property is purchased outside of Idaho or from a retailer not subject to the Commission's jurisdiction and is used, stored, or consumed in Idaho. You will generally be allowed a credit for sales or use tax paid in another state for tangible personal property used in Idaho. The amount of the credit may not exceed the amount of the Idaho tax.

Responsibility for collecting use tax.
Persons storing, using, or consuming tangible personal property in Idaho are liable for the use tax, but a retailer engaged in business in Idaho is responsible for collecting the tax from the purchaser.


Charles
 

solus

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so mate, your lengthy tirade didn't discern any more information about 'why' the op was charged sales tax by the ffl than the other thread contributors ...

nice

ipse
 

TXOC16

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gutshot: Add to Ignore List
Ah, yes, the now-infamous "Ignore List™;" the technological equivalent of the currently somewhat less-well-known, but quickly approaching a similar level of infamy, "Safe Place®."

State your position or don't.
Defend that position or don't.
Ignore the responses to your position or don't.
Argue your position or don't.
Refute the responses or don't.
But to publicly advocate a "Safe Place" via an "Ignore List" is the weakest of the weak in any of the above.

Carry on.
 

utbagpiper

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The answer to the question, "Why did the dealer charge sales tax?" is simple. He charged sales tax because nobody had the nerve to tell him "NO" and nobody even had the nerve to ask if he really had to charge sales tax. People will charge anything they can get away with. Only a fool lets them get away with it. This forum is not the place to ask those questions. Standing in front of the cash register with your money in your hand is the correct place for that
What a life some must live where they assume the worst possible motive of everyone.

Couldn't possibly be that out the 500+ items for sale in a gun shop, only one of them (an FFL transfer fee that is really a fee for a service rather than a product offered for retail sale) isn't subject to Idaho sales tax and the cashier made an innocent mistake. Even gutshot admitted a few posts up that the 6% tax on a $20 transfer fee couldn't be much money. But then you turn around and claim a man sells his integrity for $1.20 by deliberately defrauding a customer? With no more evidence than that sales tax was charge on a small transfer fee when it wasn't technically due? That is a pretty bleak outlook on one's fellow human beings generally, and a fellow RKBA supporter (I'll expect most gun store owners/cashiers are at least nominally pro-RKBA) specifically.

And of course, the buyer must be assumed to be "a moron" rather than simply somewhat unawares of the intricacies of Idaho State sales tax law.

And to refresh memories, the OP's question was "Anyone here been charged sales tax on an in Idaho FFL firearm transfer fee? "

That was followed up with several posters claiming the FFL was actually "selling" the gun to the buyer. Under Idaho law and the particulars of the OP's situation, those claims appear to be materially false. Yet you avoid calling any of those posters "morons", reserving your snide comments for the guy you have personality issues with.

The OP has posted his interactions with the gun shop since asking his original question. That interactions lends some support to the notion that the charging of sales tax when it was not due was not malicious, merely unknowing.

Why do some folks have to be so unpleasant or assume the worst about others? A fellow gun owner asked a question about sales tax on a service in Idaho. Maybe he learned something about not only the tax but about making sure the particulars of a deal are fully understood and agreed to before getting in too deep. What could possibly be gained by some posters behaving so poorly toward the OP?

I remember when the experienced old timers were happy to pass along a little of their wisdom without condemning the guy who would benefit, without castigating him for his inexperience or ignorance, but rather were happy to encourage and uplift. In my real life interactions, that continues to be true among gun owners, horse people, dirt bikers, hot rodders, and most others who are passionate about something. I wonder if maybe the media of discussion forums just brings out the worst in some folks.

Charles
 

solus

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i would say mate you are correct when you state, quote: ...just brings out the worst in some folks. unquote especially when challenged, eh?

ipse
 

TXOC16

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Damn, that list is getting longer and longer. If he keeps it up, soon there will be no posts for him to read except his own and davidmcbeth's...
It's okay. He's in his "Safe Place®."
 
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