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I have a holster question...

vindicated

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Hey Guys/Gals,

I am new to this forum but not new to forum's in general. I did a search but could not find any relevant information.

Can anyone tell me what the law is in California regarding retention devices on holsters? Am I required under law to have a thumbsnap?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 

vindicated

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Sweet. Do you know this because it isn't specified under any penal code? I couldn't find anything other than "holster" in any of the law I looked through, so that is good news.
 

pullnshoot25

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Sweet. Do you know this because it isn't specified under any penal code? I couldn't find anything other than "holster" in any of the law I looked through, so that is good news.

Is there.anything prohibiting the use of a specific type of holster?

If no, then there are no restrictions and you can do what you want.
 

ryanburbridge

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Hey Guys/Gals,

I am new to this forum but not new to forum's in general. I did a search but could not find any relevant information.

Can anyone tell me what the law is in California regarding retention devices on holsters? Am I required under law to have a thumbsnap?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

My choice and why below.

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVT2jO_sMBU&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Ryan Burbridge

"If squirt guns are outlawed, only outlaw squirts will have guns!"

James Taranto
 

vindicated

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ryanburbridge

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Thanks Ryan. Besides having $5k set aside for an attorney retainer, does anyone know another way to secure a lawyer in case something happens? I hear the Pre-Paid legal is a no go, but I want to start UOCing immediately.

You can give Davis a heads up. Not sure about a retainer but talk to him.

Also check out the link below.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=245866


Jason A. Davis
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T: (949) 436-4867
C: (949) 310-0817
F: (949) 288-6894
Website: www.CalGunLawyers.com
& www.GunRightsApp.com

Ryan Burbridge


"If squirt guns are outlawed, only outlaw squirts will have guns!"

James Taranto
 

hgreen

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Thanks Ryan. Besides having $5k set aside for an attorney retainer, does anyone know another way to secure a lawyer in case something happens? I hear the Pre-Paid legal is a no go, but I want to start UOCing immediately.

If you can't afford legal fees to defend yourself then its probably not a good idea to UOC alone in CA at this point.

Start with group UOC to mitigate risk.
 

vindicated

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If you can't afford legal fees to defend yourself then its probably not a good idea to UOC alone in CA at this point.

Start with group UOC to mitigate risk.

What risk is there if you are doing everything legal? Besides an individual officer not knowing the law? In which case, wouldn't you want to immediatly demand a supervisor be sent out who KNOWS the law?

The latest thing with the San Fernando PD has my hopes pretty high. I don't see me getting arrested, because everything I will be doing will be legal.

If I do get arrested/detained, it will be a violation of my rights by the PD, in which case I know the case will be dismissed. The problem will be if they try to throw something bogus at me. Does that happen a lot?
 

teemgreen99

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@ Vindicated

hgreen makes a good point, the reason for having the name and number of an attorney is the same as carrying a recording device...You may never need it but its there if you do. Same reason we all carry weapons too. You never know what kind of situation you may get into while UOCing could be saving your life or the lives of others or could be keeping yourself on the free side of the bars. Ultimatley its your call.
 

bigtoe416

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What risk is there if you are doing everything legal? Besides an individual officer not knowing the law? In which case, wouldn't you want to immediatly demand a supervisor be sent out who KNOWS the law?

The latest thing with the San Fernando PD has my hopes pretty high. I don't see me getting arrested, because everything I will be doing will be legal.

If I do get arrested/detained, it will be a violation of my rights by the PD, in which case I know the case will be dismissed. The problem will be if they try to throw something bogus at me. Does that happen a lot?

There's knowing the law and then there's knowing the law. For example, even though I've been on this forum for a while I still do not know the idiosyncrasies of carrying a loaded firearm in unincorporated territory. If I was going to do so I'd have to do some studying to make sure I had improved my chances at not getting arrested.

Theseus was arrested and charged and found guilty of violating the law even though he didn't violate the law. Think he's just incredibly unlucky or do you think that probably happens with some regularity? El Sensei was arrested for not doing anything illegal. Mike Hunt was arrested for not doing anything illegal. CA Libertarian (where has he gone? Hopefully NH) was detained/arrested/unarrested and injured. RyanBurbridge has been detained/arrested/unarrested on multiple occasions. I can go on.

The bottom line is, if you're open carrying, be prepared to be arrested. You'll probably be doing everything legally, but you never know if a police officer will agree with you.
 

1245A Defender

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well,,,

Hey Guys/Gals,

I am new to this forum but not new to forum's in general. I did a search but could not find any relevant information.

Can anyone tell me what the law is in California regarding retention devices on holsters? Am I required under law to have a thumbsnap?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Sweet. Do you know this because it isn't specified under any penal code? I couldn't find anything other than "holster" in any of the law I looked through, so that is good news.

Thanks Ryan. Besides having $5k set aside for an attorney retainer, does anyone know another way to secure a lawyer in case something happens? I hear the Pre-Paid legal is a no go, but I want to start UOCing immediately.

What risk is there if you are doing everything legal? Besides an individual officer not knowing the law? In which case, wouldn't you want to immediatly demand a supervisor be sent out who KNOWS the law?

The latest thing with the San Fernando PD has my hopes pretty high. I don't see me getting arrested, because everything I will be doing will be legal.

If I do get arrested/detained, it will be a violation of my rights by the PD, in which case I know the case will be dismissed. The problem will be if they try to throw something bogus at me. Does that happen a lot?

you sound incredibly naive!
you should not OC anywhere!
until you have studied the forum for at least 6 months!

you have only been here for TWO DAYS!
it seems that most of your 5 posts! are questions about holsters.

you say that you wouldnt get arrested cause you will be doing legal things.
your own posts demonstrate that you could not possibly have the knowledge
of california law necessary to keep out of even half the trouble in store for an OCer!

have you bought a holster yet?
do you have a good voice recorder?
have you at least applied for a concealed carry permit?

listen to bigtoe416, you have much to learn!

you wont get much sympathy or help from forum members if you run out
in your ignorance and get arrested for one the silly noob mistakes youre bound to make!

oh, and welcome to the forum.
ask lots of questions, learn a lot of things, get prepared.
 

ryanburbridge

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you sound incredibly naive!
you should not OC anywhere!
until you have studied the forum for at least 6 months!

you have only been here for TWO DAYS!
it seems that most of your 5 posts! are questions about holsters.

you say that you wouldnt get arrested cause you will be doing legal things.
your own posts demonstrate that you could not possibly have the knowledge
of california law necessary to keep out of even half the trouble in store for an OCer!

have you bought a holster yet?
do you have a good voice recorder?
have you at least applied for a concealed carry permit?

listen to bigtoe416, you have much to learn!

you wont get much sympathy or help from forum members if you run out
in your ignorance and get arrested for one the silly noob mistakes youre bound to make!

oh, and welcome to the forum.
ask lots of questions, learn a lot of things, get prepared.

While I agree with most of your post I do have to disagree with the sympathy part.

I think I speak for most. If you get slammed with BS charges I and most everyone on this forum WILL have sympathy and will do what we can to help.

BUT... Sympathy will NOT save your butt!

If you arm yourself with the knowledge and the tools you should have many positive UOC experiences.

When and if you choose to UOC you are putting yourself on the front line so to speak. With enough time you can bet on a police encounter in CA.

How it plays out is any ones guess. All you can do is be educated and professional. (it's very hard)

I still look back and wish I would have done things differently.

From July 2010 to now I am still not in the clear! I have spent money and time on defending myself from doing technically nothing wrong!

There is a light at the end of the tunnel for us. I just hope when we reach that light we will never relax and allow our rights to slip so far away agin!

Welcome abroad and stick around.

We have strength in numbers!


"If squirt guns are outlawed, only outlaw squirts will have guns!"

James Taranto
 

mjones

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If you can't afford legal fees to defend yourself then its probably not a good idea to UOC alone in CA at this point.

Start with group UOC to mitigate risk.

Personally I look at it the other way around...

20 years of solo OC and I've never been e-checked...group OCers get groped on a regular basis.
 

vindicated

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There's knowing the law and then there's knowing the law. For example, even though I've been on this forum for a while I still do not know the idiosyncrasies of carrying a loaded firearm in unincorporated territory. If I was going to do so I'd have to do some studying to make sure I had improved my chances at not getting arrested.

Theseus was arrested and charged and found guilty of violating the law even though he didn't violate the law. Think he's just incredibly unlucky or do you think that probably happens with some regularity? El Sensei was arrested for not doing anything illegal. Mike Hunt was arrested for not doing anything illegal. CA Libertarian (where has he gone? Hopefully NH) was detained/arrested/unarrested and injured. RyanBurbridge has been detained/arrested/unarrested on multiple occasions. I can go on.

The bottom line is, if you're open carrying, be prepared to be arrested. You'll probably be doing everything legally, but you never know if a police officer will agree with you.

Good advice, thank you. :)

you sound incredibly naive!
you should not OC anywhere!
until you have studied the forum for at least 6 months!

you have only been here for TWO DAYS!
it seems that most of your 5 posts! are questions about holsters.

you say that you wouldnt get arrested cause you will be doing legal things.
your own posts demonstrate that you could not possibly have the knowledge
of california law necessary to keep out of even half the trouble in store for an OCer!

have you bought a holster yet?
do you have a good voice recorder?
have you at least applied for a concealed carry permit?

listen to bigtoe416, you have much to learn!

you wont get much sympathy or help from forum members if you run out
in your ignorance and get arrested for one the silly noob mistakes youre bound to make!

oh, and welcome to the forum.
ask lots of questions, learn a lot of things, get prepared.

Dear 1245A,

I lol'd at your post. Literally. I joined the forum to ask this question. I studied the law. Not on your pamphlets, but on the California law website. There will be no silly noob mistakes on my part. (What could that be anyway? School Zone/Public Building? I have already familiarized myself with the Schools Zones in the places I intend to carry. Forget to clear a chamber or leave a loaded mag in? I'm not that stupid). I don't see how I could make one. My open carry will be with a shirt tucked in, slacks, and a dress shirt (setting an example w/ no possibility for concealment) My unloaded gun will be stored to my right, and my ammunition stored on my left. Exposed. According to the law, this is legal. I understand there is a chance of unlawful detention, in which I am fully prepared to fight it in court. Yes, I have a Fobus holster and Fobus double mag pouch. I also have various printed materials including the cards, flyers, my own copies of the California Penal code, and the most recent summary ruling on the San Fernando Police department’s arrest of Jose Diaz.

You said I have been here for 2 days, yet I have been studying and trying to comprehend the California law for about a year now. I didn't know about this website until it was recommended to me by a friend. My holster question was because I READ THE LAW, and couldn't find any pertinent information about holsters in it. So what did I do? I asked you guys JUST IN CASE I missed something. See, I am prepared. :exclaim: And now my question was answered, and I will be looking into a holster with a thumb snap for my protection. Oh, and I also have a drop leg, but I don't like those because it looks too tactical, and I don't want the negitivity I know will come along with it. I use it hiking.

To answer your other question, yes, I do have a micro recorder and I have my CCW application including letter prepared to send off to the county sheriff this next week. I didn't do so until reading it might be a good idea on this forum.

I guess I was being a little naive on me saying I don't see me getting arrested. That was kind of silly. You said however, that that post demonstrates I don't have the knowledge? Actually, it fully demonstrates my knowledge of California Penal Code, because I KNOW I WILL BE LEGAL according to law, you get me? But I know arrest can still happen. Which in turn is why I asked the question about lawyers. The law is interpreted in it's own way, but both LEO's and Judges, we all know this.

Thank you for your post though, I appreciate your input even though it was a negative, uninformed post in itself. Don't expect I will let you treat me like a child. I have been carrying legally in National Forests and on BLM land while hunting/hiking/backpacking for years. I have numerous encounters with Park Rangers, Sheriff's, and BLM Rangers. This will just be my first time in an incorporated city. We are all on the same team here, mmmk pumpkin? D
 
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1245A Defender

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Wow,,,

i didnt expect that!
i expected to be ignored, and that you would never return, or reply!
your explanation of your studies and experience clears up my misgivings about you.
i also see that youre mature enough to take a licking, and still keep your cool!
i actually planned to write a few much ruder comments, but i held back.
i was showing my ignorance when i typed to you,
but i have seen lots of drive by young posters come to the forum.
so,,, carry on!
 
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