Gun shows cancelled in Richmond on C&E and showmasters websites

[67GT390FB]

I see they cancelled the next two shows and I have heard that for the foreseeable future there won't be a gun show in the richmond area.

https://www.showmastersgunshows.com/show-dates.html

 

[solus]

should oughta cancel their shows in NC as they have sucked horribly over the last couple of years and this is also worrisome as there are several military base/posts in the area.

ipse

 

[Grapeshot]

I see they cancelled the next two shows and I have heard that for the foreseeable future there won't be a gun show in the richmond area.

https://www.showmastersgunshows.com/show-dates.html

Where will the criminals get their guns?

 

[solus]

Where will the criminals get their guns?

as previously noted...from robbery(ies) in the Carolinas

ipse

 

[The Wolfhound]

Rumor

My source is good but I do not know how good his source was.
Richmond Gun Shows cancelled due to lack of insurance carrier. It seems there has been a pattern of VENDORS and NDs at the the Richmond shows. No one want to insure them. If your vendors are violating your "no loaded guns" policy it does present challenges.

 

[Grapeshot]

My source is good but I do not know how good his source was.
Richmond Gun Shows cancelled due to lack of insurance carrier. It seems there has been a pattern of VENDORS and NDs at the the Richmond shows. No one want to insure them. If your vendors are violating your "no loaded guns" policy it does present challenges.

Any higher rate of incidents at other gun shows?

The husband and wife team who have individually promoted guns shows in Virginia seem to be withdrawing from the market. He, I believe, is in poor health. She, just time to retire maybe.

That and there is no attractive location within the greater Richmond area since to Showplace was sold.

 

[Marco]

http://wtvr.com/2016/05/23/woman-shoots-self-in-foot-outside-gun-show/


Reliable intel tells me a woman named Annette shoot herself (in the foot ,iirc) after the last show. It just so happens the promoters name is also Annette.

NO insurance NO SHOW.

 

[67GT390FB]

http://wtvr.com/2016/05/23/woman-shoots-self-in-foot-outside-gun-show/


Reliable intel tells me a woman named Annette shoot herself (in the foot ,iirc) after the last show. It just so happens the promoters name is also Annette.

NO insurance NO SHOW.

note date on article is may last show was december, though your intel is accurate beyond the date mix up

 

[Brian D.]

http://wtvr.com/2016/05/23/woman-shoots-self-in-foot-outside-gun-show/


Reliable intel tells me a woman named Annette shoot herself (in the foot ,iirc) after the last show. It just so happens the promoters name is also Annette.

NO insurance NO SHOW.

That story did state that the shooting occurred at 9pm or so on Sunday. Which would be four or five hours after closing down, I guess. If anybody was still there it sure wouldn't be an attendee, and not likely a tableholder either. So, I sure don't think your dot-connecting is far-fetched. If that's the case it wouldn't do the venue or the show much good regarding insurance in the aftermath.

 

[ProShooter]

My intel is that the raceway decided to go with a zero tolerance policy on guns being on their property, to include gun shows in the exhibition buildings.

 

[utbagpiper]

I have repeatedly pointed out that gun shows present a unique challenge for firearms safety.

I know of no other location where so many people gather, in such close quarters, and then expect to handle firearms. One has no idea what level of training any particular person has in such a setting. In most cases at gun shows, there is no safe direction to point a gun. Careful thought will reveal that it is generally not possible to even pick up a gun from a display table without pointing at something one would certainly not want to shoot. Even the concrete floors most convention centers do not present a truly safe stop as they are likely to result in a ricochet that is likely to hit someone in such crowded situations.

Given the litigious nature of our society, and the negative view towards guns held by significant portions of our population, any serious injury from a gun shot, at a gun show, could result in massive financial liability.

Without insurance, no gun show.

Whether insurance is flat out refused, or is so costly as to make the show financially infeasible, doesn't matter.

I cannot criticize gun shows for having rules against carrying loaded firearms. With thousands of attendees at any given show, and thousands of such shows nationwide each year, a couple of NDs is a very good record by most objective criteria. But it falls short of the perfection that may be practically required by insurance companies or public opinion.

Obviously, gun shows are about a lot more than just buying and selling guns. Gun shows are a part of the pro-RKBA culture.

The architects of anti-RKBA sentiment are not stupid. (No shortage of useful idiots in the world, but the architects are not stupid.) They know gun shows are not a material source of illegal guns. They use that lie because the useful idiot sheep will believe it and oppose gun shows on that basis. The real reason they attack gun shows is to strike at the very culture of RKBA, self sufficiency, and a healthy distrust of government.

I believe that gun owners who attack gun shows over their gun policies, are giving tacit support to our opponents. Attend or don't as you see fit. But don't discourage others from participating in the RKBA culture and community at a gun show.

Charles

 

[TFred]

Seems like someone with very deep pockets (one of those three-letter organizations who shall remain unmentioned...) ought to leverage some of that weight into offering a gun show insurance program.

TFred

 

[Grapeshot]

The bean counters screw up when they price their product out of the market - get greedy, get nothing.

 

[utbagpiper]

The bean counters screw up when they price their product out of the market - get greedy, get nothing.

Insurance company actuaries rarely get things wrong in terms of pricing the risk of various activities. This article suggests an annual risk of insurance company failure at less than 1%.

It is entirely possible that the financial risks of running a gun show exceed the profit margin the market will pay for running a gun show.

Of course, it is also possible that the insurance companies are motivated by something other than profit in cases involving "evil gun shows".

At the end of the day, the result is the same for the RKBA community: a loss of gun shows.

 

[Brian D.]

I have repeatedly pointed out that gun shows present a unique challenge for firearms safety.

I know of no other location where so many people gather, in such close quarters, and then expect to handle firearms. One has no idea what level of training any particular person has in such a setting. In most cases at gun shows, there is no safe direction to point a gun. Careful thought will reveal that it is generally not possible to even pick up a gun from a display table without pointing at something one would certainly not want to shoot. Even the concrete floors most convention centers do not present a truly safe stop as they are likely to result in a ricochet that is likely to hit someone in such crowded situations.

Given the litigious nature of our society, and the negative view towards guns held by significant portions of our population, any serious injury from a gun shot, at a gun show, could result in massive financial liability.

Without insurance, no gun show.

Whether insurance is flat out refused, or is so costly as to make the show financially infeasible, doesn't matter.

I cannot criticize gun shows for having rules against carrying loaded firearms. With thousands of attendees at any given show, and thousands of such shows nationwide each year, a couple of NDs is a very good record by most objective criteria. But it falls short of the perfection that may be practically required by insurance companies or public opinion.

Obviously, gun shows are about a lot more than just buying and selling guns. Gun shows are a part of the pro-RKBA culture.

The architects of anti-RKBA sentiment are not stupid. (No shortage of useful idiots in the world, but the architects are not stupid.) They know gun shows are not a material source of illegal guns. They use that lie because the useful idiot sheep will believe it and oppose gun shows on that basis. The real reason they attack gun shows is to strike at the very culture of RKBA, self sufficiency, and a healthy distrust of government.

I believe that gun owners who attack gun shows over their gun policies, are giving tacit support to our opponents. Attend or don't as you see fit. But don't discourage others from participating in the RKBA culture and community at a gun show.

Charles

I have tried for years to point out just what you stated so well here. Sometimes people listen, other times they are VERY dismissive and hostile in reply. Kind of makes me wonder if the careless and negligent gun handlers we observe at shows aren't a subset of the non-listeners.

 

[solus]

[h=4]GET AFFORDABLE NRA-ENDORSED INSURANCE WHEN YOU PROMOTE YOUR NEXT GUN SHOW[/h]As a gun show promoter, you have unique insurance challenges that can vary from venue to venue. Our easy application is designed to provide the coverage you need whether you have one event a year or multiple shows in various cities.
We understand that every venue may have different criteria for showing evidence of coverage, and we are ready to provide proof of coverage for you in whatever form is necessary.
You can get Gun Show Insurance protection for as little as $300 per show.

https://mynrainsurance.com/business-insurance/gun-show-insurance

seems the 350# silverback gorilla sitting in the country's eastern part of the country could make the insurance underwriting argument negligible.

ipse

 

[Grapeshot]

GET AFFORDABLE NRA-ENDORSED INSURANCE WHEN YOU PROMOTE YOUR NEXT GUN SHOW

As a gun show promoter, you have unique insurance challenges that can vary from venue to venue. Our easy application is designed to provide the coverage you need whether you have one event a year or multiple shows in various cities.
We understand that every venue may have different criteria for showing evidence of coverage, and we are ready to provide proof of coverage for you in whatever form is necessary.
You can get Gun Show Insurance protection for as little as $300 per show.

https://mynrainsurance.com/business-insurance/gun-show-insurance

seems the 350# silverback gorilla sitting in the country's eastern part of the country could make the insurance underwriting argument negligible.

ipse

Why does that not surprise me?

 

[celticredneck]

I now see that Showmasters has a show scheduled for March 25 and 26 at a Kmart in Midlothian

KMart at Midlothian

6807 Midlothian Turnpike

​Richmond, VA 23225

 

[Grapeshot]

I now see that Showmasters shows scheduled
for March 25 and 26 at a Kmart in Midlothian

KMart at Midlothian

6807 Midlothian Turnpike

​Richmond, VA 23225

:banana: :banana:

Been suggesting that location since before Hector was a twinkle.....but appparently wasn't attractive enough.

 

[The Wolfhound]

The neighborhood..

For Midlothian would be a lot better than the Raceway or the Showplace. I hope Chesterfield PD can become as easy going as Henrico PD has been. You had to really be asking for it, and some did, to get hassled.